Danny Fenton Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 I use a razor saw for removing the glass parts and the ply bits. The glass will kill a razor saw, so I have one that is only used for glass parts, it's a bit blunt now but I cycle the good blades to glass use just before binning them. I don't like using a dremel, I am more likely to cut myself then the parts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fats Flyer Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 It does take practice Danny,i have the scar's and empty plaster boxes to prove it.I have also got a few home made mini saws,breaking fine toothed hacksaw blades in half,then tapeing the top part with electrical tape to act as a handle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Any chance of a picture of the plans somewhere, so people who have no talent like me, can follow what's happening please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Sephton 1 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Thanks Fats, and Danny has suggested a razor saw, both of which give food for thought. I have a couple of my own ideas, but I'll put them on hold until I've had a few more replies. On the surface, it appears that there is no 'right' answer... To save late comers from reading back, this was the question: I have a question for the more seasoned builders. I've managed to separate the laser-cut plywood parts from the main sheet using a craft knife, but looking ahead, what's the best way to separate the glass parts and the brass parts from their carrier sheets. Any advice in this direction would be most welcome as I have no recent experience of models this size. ...and Fats suggested using a Dremel with a cutting blade. Edited By Andy Sephton 1 on 04/10/2018 18:00:27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis Watkins Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Some brass parts are easily separated using sharp side cutters or scissors Andy But if there is any doubt that you may cause distortion Then use a piercing saw with fine blades and carefully file the sprue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Wolf Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 There you go John, hope they are clear enough. Hope to make a start on mine within the next week or two. I will be using a laser for power, not sure what size. Dick van Mourik wrote an article in RC scale international (2004) and commented that the laser 70 was marginal but found the 120 to be a perfect match. Regards SW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Thanks SW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Hi John, Here is a view of the 2 drawings as well. I had to decrease my original file which was over 14 MB/piece. Now it's just over 2MB but even enlarged in your preferred viewer you still can read DB's annotations. Probably it might be of use for other Classroom Members as well. Concerning Andy's 'cutting' question, as it was only adressed to "the more seasoned builders", I can't answer that I use a razor saw for ply, a small cutting plier, or preferably a Dremel w/ diamond disc for glass fiber, carbon and brass... Cheers Chris Edited By Beth Ashby Moderator on 31/10/2018 08:02:50 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Cheers Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Bennett Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 well i am having trouble understanding the fuselage plan. is there sheeting under formers 7 and 8 or not. plus my top formers are wider than the frame. hmmmmmmm Tony B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 NOTE > regarding the DB plan views I posted, the forum software is resizing the pics to 1024 pixels width while my posted originals are 3000 pixels. If someone wants a better & larger copy, please PM me an email address so I can send them in the proper format. Cheers Chris Edited By McG 6969 on 04/10/2018 20:00:59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Tony, I would suspect the top formers to be 'wider' as the basic fuselage box will receive some 3/32 sheets support for the stringers at both sides... Cheers Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Sephton 1 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 Posted by McG 6969 on 04/10/2018 19:28:56: ............Concerning Andy's 'cutting' question, as it was only adressed to "the more seasoned builders", I can't answer that I use a razor saw for ply, a small cutting plier, or preferably a Dremel w/ diamond disc for glass fiber, carbon and brass... ......... OK Chris...it's a fair cop! But good answer, anyway! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fats Flyer Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 If your interested,there is a write up on Outerzone of the plan,it might help with the build technique of the designer and produce a few light bulb moments.....hopefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Whitehead 1 Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 I don't know if this link was posted earlier on this thread but even if it was, it's worth posting again for the sheer elegance of the manoeuvres, never mind the looks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIyGIQs8bSI PS ... ignore the commentary, though it's a shame to blank out the gorgeous RR Kestrel engine sound Edited By Gordon Whitehead 1 on 04/10/2018 22:15:42 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 I must confess I was not expecting people to go charging off on their own and start the fus without some guidance. If you are building the leccy version you haven't go t a plan, it is in my head! So you really should wait until I have made sure it goes together as planned. On the plan (IC vaersion) there are sort of triangular ply doublers to spread the load from the beech bearers into the fus sides. On the leccy version the ply doublers are full height, and pass forwards of the bulkhead F1, through the slots in F1. The doublers should be 1/32nd ply. These parts are just placed together This is the ply doubler, it needs to be in 1/32nd ply The doubler goes on the inside of the fuelage sides, and fills this slight gap snugly. There are two wide longerons that sit level with the top of the fus sides so beware as these affect the fit of the bulkheads. The IC version shoulf be fairly vanilla and follow the plan, but again if you are not 100 sure you understand hold back and wait for the rest of us. Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Bennett Posted October 4, 2018 Share Posted October 4, 2018 the full size doublers go in the front section of the fuselge and slide into F1, they will need notching at the top rear to clear F2. my formers F5 and F6 have the notches where they glue into the fuselage cut wider than they show on the plan. the formers are the right size, i will just have to add some packing to fill the gaps. Tony B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernie Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Mon Dieu SWIMBOS in for a shock. I proudly showed her the finished tailplane skeleton. That's a fine wee wing was her only comment ernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Bennett Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 it is easier to build a 13ft wingspan avro shackleton out of depron than it is to build this fury. Tony B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Sephton 1 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Posted by Ernie on 05/10/2018 07:46:24: Mon Dieu SWIMBOS in for a shock. I proudly showed her the finished tailplane skeleton. That's a fine wee wing was her only comment ernie Nice one Ernie - funnily enough, I was thinking the same myself when looking at the tailplane blank. It's bigger than the wing of most of the models I've built in the past 30 years! I would add that my main area of modelling is Scale Indoor Free Flight! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Its not called a master class for nowt, if it were easy it wouldn't be such fun Now quit chatting in the back of the classroom, and get on with your work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Bennett Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 yes master. sheeesh slave driver. F1 fited spot on, but i have moved the firewall out a fraction so i can get my battery between it and f1 easily. Tony B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Fenton Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Hi Tony, where are you going to put the battery on yours? Cheers Danny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Bennett Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 between the motor mount and F1 if i can. Tony B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manish Chandrayan Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Thank you so much Ernie, the shiny brass parts arrived today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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