GaryW Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) Just read this on BMFA Website The CAA have launched a consultation on their Charges Scheme for 2024/25, with the proposed changes due to come into effect on the 1 April, 2024. The CAA proposals include a general 5.3% increase with an additional 3% being used to support innovation, which in combination will take the Operator Registration fee (currently £10.33) to £11.19. Thanks to the input from members last year, the policy for rounding increases to the next full pound has been replaced by a rounding to the next full penny for any fees below a £20 threshold. Members may be interested to note that without the intervention of the BMFA and its members over recent years, the fee would now be at £22 rather than the £11.19 proposed. The CAA say that they “welcome comments on all aspects of the proposals, including the charge structures and the level of the charges”, so if Members would like to have a say directly, then please follow this link: https://consultations.caa.co.uk/finance/uk-caa-scheme-of-charges-24-25/. The closing date for responses is the 15th January 2024. https://bmfa.org/caa-proposes-8-3-increase-in-operator-registration-fee-from-april-2024 Edited November 25, 2023 by GaryWebb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken anderson. Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 what do i/we get from paying into the CAA pot? ken anderson....ne...1...what do i get dept. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Symons - BMFA Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, ken anderson. said: what do i/we get from paying into the CAA pot? ken anderson....ne...1...what do i get dept. The opportunity to fly lawfully. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryW Posted November 25, 2023 Author Share Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) 12 minutes ago, ken anderson. said: what do i/we get from paying into the CAA pot? ken anderson....ne...1...what do i get dept. We get the registration requirement we need & satisfaction to know & show we are operating/flying our models 100% legitimately and legally with Operator & Flier Id's it's that simple It's a NO BRAINER !!!!! Edited November 25, 2023 by GaryWebb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottenRow Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 31 minutes ago, Andy Symons - BMFA said: The opportunity to fly lawfully. An opportunity that we had for 98 years before somebody decided to charge us for it… Brian. 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Symons - BMFA Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 1 minute ago, RottenRow said: An opportunity that we had for 98 years before somebody decided to charge us for it… Brian. Indeed that is the case. However, there was no stopping it, the advance in technology which is already leading to a busier airspace was always going to mean there would be some impact on us. Thankfully it has been quite minimal thanks to a lot of hard work over many years. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryW Posted November 25, 2023 Author Share Posted November 25, 2023 5 minutes ago, Andy Symons - BMFA said: Indeed that is the case. However, there was no stopping it, the advance in technology which is already leading to a busier airspace was always going to mean there would be some impact on us. Thankfully it has been quite minimal thanks to a lot of hard work over many years. On top of that all those wally brains that flew wrongly/illegally causing so much trouble including the airport issues seen in recent years which also helped ... Like i also mentioned in another thread that I agree with and fully support Remote Id which the CAA are expecting to come into play in Jan 2028 i also agree and fully support the need for Operator & Flier ID/Registration 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul De Tourtoulon Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, GaryWebb said: On top of that all those wally brains that flew wrongly/illegally causing so much trouble including the airport issues seen in recent years which also helped I am glad to see that the new laws and paying the government to fly is going to stop illegal flying,,,😂 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Symons - BMFA Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 1 minute ago, GaryWebb said: On top of that all those wally brains that flew wrongly/illegally causing so much trouble including the airport issues seen in recent years which also helped ... Like i also mentioned in another thread that I agree with and fully support Remote Id which the CAA are expecting to come into play in Jan 2028 i also agree and fully support the need for Operator & Flier ID/Registration Very little to do with a small minority flying wrongly/illegally, or any airport issues in my personal opinion, changes were coming before any of that just so a busier airspace can continue to be shared safely. If anything is to blame it is simply the march of technology. The task for the BMFA is to continue to fight to keep the affect on our activities to a minimum. Something that we have had some success with so far. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottenRow Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, GaryWebb said: On top of that all those wally brains that flew wrongly/illegally causing so much trouble including the airport issues seen in recent years which also helped ... Like i also mentioned in another thread that I agree with and fully support Remote Id which the CAA are expecting to come into play in Jan 2028 i also agree and fully support the need for Operator & Flier ID/Registration How exactly does any of the current and proposed legislation, and us paying for that privilege, prevent the “wally brains” from doing exactly what they want to? Brian. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 We do love a bit of tech, makes things better,easier, more fun, less work, ooh and it's cheap now. It came with consequences, always does. What surprises me is that it surprised some. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryW Posted November 25, 2023 Author Share Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, RottenRow said: How exactly does any of the current and proposed legislation, and us paying for that privilege, prevent the “wally brains” from doing exactly what they want to? Brian. That's exactly what things like Operator/Flier ID/Registration and Remote ID will help to stop... Only other option is to out right ban ALL Rc Flying outside of a Rc Flying Club just like banning Guns outside of a Gun Club Edited November 25, 2023 by GaryWebb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 1 minute ago, GaryWebb said: That's exactly what things like Operator/Flier ID/Registration and Remote Id will help to stop... Only other option is to out right ban ALL Rc Flying outside of a Rc Flying Club just like banning Guns outside of a Gun Club Counter to that Gary is "Who is gonna police it" ? I'm with others, it ain't about a group of wrong doers, it's about taking control of airspace for reasons which are obvious. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryW Posted November 25, 2023 Author Share Posted November 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, john stones 1 - Moderator said: Counter to that Gary is "Who is gonna police it" ? I'm with others, it ain't about a group of wrong doers, it's about taking control of airspace for reasons which are obvious. I don't disagree with you at all there John and however insignificant it may be.... the wrong doers do still play a part in the reason we have the laws & rules we have today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, GaryWebb said: I don't disagree with you at all there John and however insignificant it may be.... the wrong doers do still play a part in the reason we have the laws & rules we have today Well it was used to push the agenda forward by the media, but that's par for the course. Create an enemy works everytime. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban8 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 1 hour ago, Andy Symons - BMFA said: The opportunity to fly lawfully. Very true, but when that law is an Ass it does make you wonder. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J D 8 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Reminds me of a time some years ago when our water board decided that those of us on a private water supply should have to pay water rates like everyone else! And even have meters installed. Yea right we said, and what service will you provide for this payment we asked. Would you plumb in and maintain the pipework to our property's? Answer Err no. How about sewerage disposal? we asked. Err no. What service would you provide then ? Answer Don't know. Go sling your hook was a kinder reply they got. So question I have is what service are we model flyers paying the CAA for? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 4 minutes ago, J D 8 said: Reminds me of a time some years ago when our water board decided that those of us on a private water supply should have to pay water rates like everyone else! And even have meters installed. Yea right we said, and what service will you provide for this payment we asked. Would you plumb in and maintain the pipework to our property's? Answer Err no. How about sewerage disposal? we asked. Err no. What service would you provide then ? Answer Don't know. Go sling your hook was a kinder reply they got. So question I have is what service are we model flyers paying the CAA for? You know as well as everyone else why we now pay a fee, do you think you're unique in resenting it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GaryW Posted November 25, 2023 Author Share Posted November 25, 2023 9 minutes ago, J D 8 said: Reminds me of a time some years ago when our water board decided that those of us on a private water supply should have to pay water rates like everyone else! And even have meters installed. Yea right we said, and what service will you provide for this payment we asked. Would you plumb in and maintain the pipework to our property's? Answer Err no. How about sewerage disposal? we asked. Err no. What service would you provide then ? Answer Don't know. Go sling your hook was a kinder reply they got. So question I have is what service are we model flyers paying the CAA for? When it comes to water meters.. I would sooner have a water meter than not have one that way I'm only paying for what i actually use rather than paying for someone to only guess what I'm using plus its far cheaper having a meter,,, on unmetered the bills were £500+ every 6 months now they are around £150-160 every 6 months... Another one of those everyday life No Brainers I say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Heather Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 On 25/11/2023 at 17:17, Andy Symons - BMFA said: The opportunity to fly lawfully. My question would be “what do I get from this ‘innovation’s. What is this ‘innovation’. And don’t say to fly lawfully, because I was getting that before and that is increasing by 5.3% - I get that prices increase but very suspicious about the extra 3% on top for a vague and undefined ‘innovation’. If I were to guess CAA - we want to increase by 8.3% Government auditor - sorry price increases capped to 5.3% CAA - okay, how about if we increase by 5.3% and we bung on an extra 3% for ‘innovation’ Government auditor - what’s this innovation CAA - it’s innovation Government auditor - oh go on then, as long as it is not a price increase 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken anderson. Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 Agree.....I've been flying lawfully for all my modelling life....it's all a bit of a con I reckon....guaranteed to make anyone considering flying a toy model aircraft off.... Ken Anderson....ne...1...con job dept 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyGnome Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 What's the current level of inflation..... well above this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leccyflyer Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 8 minutes ago, GrumpyGnome said: What's the current level of inflation..... well above this. Current rate of inflation is 5.6%, so rather less than the proposed increase in CAA Operator registration fee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 12 hours ago, Nigel Heather said: My question would be “what do I get from this innovation". What is this ‘innovation’. And don’t say to fly lawfully, because I was getting that before and that is increasing by 5.3% - I get that prices increase but very suspicious about the extra 3% on top for a vague and undefined ‘innovation’. If I were to guess CAA - we want to increase by 8.3% Government auditor - sorry price increases capped to 5.3% CAA - okay, how about if we increase by 5.3% and we bung on an extra 3% for ‘innovation’ Government auditor - what’s this innovation CAA - it’s innovation Government auditor - oh go on then, as long as it is not a price increase Their definition of "innovation" is all in the (yes, yet another... 😉) consultation document - get ready to be unimpressed... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul De Tourtoulon Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 A lot of twaddle, 'innovation', starts with the younger generation with a passion of flying, inventing etc, which is being blocked with all these unnecessary laws,,, 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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