MattyB Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 10 minutes ago, GrumpyGnome said: That's a bit harsh.... Too true, nobody should use the "d" word in this forum... 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Learner said: Not a suprise from the anti i.c brigade Don't worry - Rishi has kicked the can down the road on new petrol and diesel cars by another 5 years at least, and has also scrapped a whole load of things that were never actually going to happen as a bonus... Result - Anyone over the age of ~60 should now be able to avoid owning an EV if they don't want to... 😉🤣 Edited September 21, 2023 by MattyB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyGnome Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Good job for me as I have no way of charging it unless I spend thousands getting electricity to my garage...... which is in someone else's garden 😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Kearsley Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 12 minutes ago, MattyB said: Too true, nobody should use the "d" word in this forum... 😉 You're right, I apologise unreservedly! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learner Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tim Kearsley said: Some of us have more ambition though! Buying a £57k tesla is not an ambition I expect I will ever have but apparently I'm missing something. Perhaps GB news havent covered it😊 Edited September 21, 2023 by Learner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learner Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 13 minutes ago, MattyB said: Don't worry - Rishi has kicked the can down the road on new petrol and diesel cars by another 5 years at least, and has also scrapped a whole load of things that were never actually going to happen as a bonus... Result - Anyone over the age of ~60 should now be able to avoid owning an EV if they don't want to... 😉🤣 Damn I'm only 59 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Gosh I didn't mean to cause a stir when I posted my findings after my first month of EV ownership and I certainly never meant to post in order to brag about being able to buy one! As this is an electric vehicle thread, I just thought that my findings arising out of my EV use may be of interest. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Learner Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 6 minutes ago, Ron Gray said: Gosh I didn't mean to cause a stir when I posted my findings after my first month of EV ownership and I certainly never meant to post in order to brag about being able to buy one! As this is an electric vehicle thread, I just thought that my findings arising out of my EV use may be of interest. My fault, I forget a tongue in cheek remark on here can cause lots of dummy spitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 No skin in this one, but...Rishis only done the first kick of the can, be more to follow and not a Cat in hells chance of being delivered on time, whatever on time means today. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Does the cheaper electricity used to charge at night, cost less to produce ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Robson Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 If it takes as long to install the infrastructure to go all electric as is taking for HS2 we will still be depending on ic cars in 2050 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Just now, Eric Robson said: HS2 I think that needs its own thread! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Robson Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 It won't thread its way up North. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, john stones 1 - Moderator said: No skin in this one, but...Rishis only done the first kick of the can, be more to follow and not a Cat in hells chance of being delivered on time, whatever on time means today. Interesting that the quota targets for manufacturers is still in place so they've got to keep making / selling EVs or get fined £15k per car. Edited September 21, 2023 by Ron Gray 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ron Gray said: Interesting that the quota targets for manufacturers is still in place so they've got to keep making / selling EVs or get fined £15k per car. As I said Ron, I am not anti E.V, quotas are numbers, they get set for a variety of things, waiting lists, surgery, women being paid the same as men. 69 years on the planets taught me to mistrust the sellers vision as being optimistic, quotas/rules change all the time to suit agendas and occasionally, facts. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 If the quotas are enforced it could mean EV prices will reduce as dealers need to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zflyer Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 (edited) Kicking the can down the road. I dont think so. A bit of reflection and some proper debate wouldnt go amiss. I cannot afford an alternative heat source and legislation to fine landlords!!! Central government and councils should be plastering their infrastructure with solar panels and wind turbines. And its all very well to say that charging ability will make its way into the Countryside and smaller villages and hamlets. Ask the same villages and hamlets were their faster broadband is. The green levy has really worked! Edited September 21, 2023 by Zflyer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 32 minutes ago, Zflyer said: Kicking the can down the road. I dont think so. A bit of reflection and some proper debate wouldnt go amiss. I cannot afford an alternative heat source and legislation to fine landlords!!! Central government and councils should be plastering their infrastructure with solar panels and wind turbines. And its all very well to say that charging ability will make its way into the Countryside and smaller villages and hamlets. Ask the same villages and hamlets were their faster broadband is. The green levy has really worked! Proper debate ? Good luck with that Z, this ones a biggie n has massive impact on lives and requires joined up thinking, cooperation on a massive scale, best we'll get is a catchy slogan. On a Lecky bus maybe. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 2 hours ago, Eric Robson said: If it takes as long to install the infrastructure to go all electric as is taking for HS2 we will still be depending on ic cars in 2050 HS 2 is a vanity project. If you built another 125 mph line from London to Birmingham, no tech headaches, no noise issues, less land use.,If the trains are all the same speed, they can pass at short interval. End result, about 15 to 20 minutes slower, billions of quid cheaper. Also one day, the accident is less catastrophic. But the engineering companies on the gravy train are not complaining. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 Just now, Don Fry said: HS 2 is a vanity project. If you built another 125 mph line from London to Birmingham, no tech headaches, no noise issues, less land use.,If the trains are all the same speed, they can pass at short interval. End result, about 15 to 20 minutes slower, billions of quid cheaper. Also one day, the accident is less catastrophic. But the engineering companies on the gravy train are not complaining. Gravy train is most consistent train we have. 😉 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Walby Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 2 hours ago, john stones 1 - Moderator said: Does the cheaper electricity used to charge at night, cost less to produce ? The electricity does not cost less, its just there is less demand so the price goes down as most of the UK generation can't be brought on or backed off quickly! PS don't forget some generator companies are paid to run, but not produce electricity.....just in case a popular TV program ends and everyone sticks the kettle on! Followed by sewerage companies getting the other end result 30 min later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 John, have you ever thought of chucking the lawn mower, and getting on the stand up circuit. That took 4 minutes before reply, crying , couldn't operate the keyboard. With severe help from the spellchecker. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 3 minutes ago, Chris Walby said: PS don't forget some generator companies are paid to run, but not produce electricity.....just in case a popular TV program ends and everyone sticks the kettle on! I would imagine in these days of on-demand streaming that must be a dramatically less prevalent occurrence. Only the odd major sporting event (e.g. World Cup Final) or nationwide event like the Coronation would trigger it. We almost never watch live TV now, it is all streamed. My youngest (now 9) didn’t even understand the concept of waiting for her programme to come on when she was little and arrived at Granny and Grandada where there wasn’t a streaming device! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 3 hours ago, john stones 1 - Moderator said: No skin in this one, but...Rishis only done the first kick of the can, be more to follow and not a Cat in hells chance of being delivered on time, whatever on time means today. On time according to him is still net zero on or before 2050. Problem is that these changes now put us way behind the curve to achieve that, with nothing in the announcement that describes how we then bring it back on track. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted September 21, 2023 Share Posted September 21, 2023 He can promise all he likes for 27 years ahead, he won't be around to answer for the failure. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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