Ace Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 Does the Matt laminating film still need keying to ensure paint sticks? I Scotch pad the gloss then plastic primer and can't then scrape it off. So is the matts advantage you can skip this keying step? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted April 26, 2021 Author Share Posted April 26, 2021 I haven't tried it in anger, only on test strips and it seems to provide a pretty decent key without any further work. I think @Engine Doctorhas used it like that and has reported good adhesion. Personally, for the sake of ½ hour of work, I would go over it with very fine sandpaper / Scotch pad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engine Doctor Posted April 26, 2021 Share Posted April 26, 2021 An update on the laminating film . I have left a test piece in the green house for a couple of week now and it has been very hot in there most days. No sign of slacking , wrinkling or loosening. Re paint adhesion on the matt covering. The test piece I painted with artist water based acrylic , humbrol and two pack gloss has really good adhesion. A friend painted a model with some emulsion tester pot and while it seems OK if just one colour is applied the paint does lift when using low tack masking. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinBrian Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 How strongly does the laminating film shrink? I am sure this has been covered - sic - in the preceding 8 pages however I am planning to cover a glider wing, it's an OD and quite a strong construction with a D box at the front and cap strips. Now I know I could build a test piece of wing but I don't want to repeat someone else's work needlessly. Thanks FB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engine Doctor Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 (edited) It shrinks well although not as much or as powerfully as some of the polyester type coverings. Some of the clear types shrink far too powerfully IMO and if not careful giving an airframe a "starved horse look" ,even crushing some framework. It needs a high temp than normal films so a test would be a good idea to get the feel . Good luck and please give feedback. Edited April 27, 2021 by Engine Doctor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwain Dibley. Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 I found it to be on a par with the oratex, that I used on the same model, the M-19. I have yet to try it on a smaller model, but I did make a test piece, that I also covered in tissue. No warps occurred. You can see it further back in the thread.. D.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted April 27, 2021 Author Share Posted April 27, 2021 I can confirm that it doesn’t shrink as much as the HK transparent film which, if applied with too much heat, can easily crush structures! Apply lam film with circa 120 degrees to stick it then shrink at circa 150 degrees, should be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinBrian Posted April 27, 2021 Share Posted April 27, 2021 Thanks Guys, that's just what I needed to know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Bertram Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Hi Ron, if you still have Colins 10m not claimed I wouldn't mind having a go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted April 28, 2021 Author Share Posted April 28, 2021 Hi Bob, well I’ve still not heard from @colin wray 2so I’ll give him until Friday and if I still haven’t from him then it’s yours Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Bertram Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 I Ron, Many thanks for that. If it doesn't happen for me and you should eventually buy more put me down for 10m. Cheers, Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted April 28, 2021 Author Share Posted April 28, 2021 Will do Bob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin wray 2 Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 Ron sorry Ive not made contact not sure to give you my details Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted April 29, 2021 Share Posted April 29, 2021 52 minutes ago, colin wray 2 said: Ron sorry Ive not made contact not sure to give you my details Hover your cursor on Rons avatar Colin, you will see a message option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted April 29, 2021 Author Share Posted April 29, 2021 10 hours ago, colin wray 2 said: Ron sorry Ive not made contact not sure to give you my details If you look at your messages Colin, you will see messages from me, just reply to them! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted April 30, 2021 Author Share Posted April 30, 2021 @colin wray 2- please let me know if you still want the laminating film as I have others who want it if you don't. To be fair I'll leave it until midnight tonight then, if I still haven't got your details / payment then I will sell it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted May 2, 2021 Author Share Posted May 2, 2021 @Bob Bertram As Colin still hasn’t sent me his details, if you still want the last 10m of lam film please pm me with your address and I will send you payment details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DaveB1 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Phew, this has been a challenging build (a FIllon's Champion), getting there now though. I used some of Ron's laminating film to cover, which was also pretty challenging around the wing fairings, but with a heat gun to shrink it has just about worked out. I'm not convinced this film is quite thick enough for such a large open structure, but I don't plan to to it again now unless I have to ! Has anyone any experience of painting lam film on an open structure ? I would like to retain some level of translucency to show the framing, and was planning to use spray acrylics, but wonder how well this would work to balance even coverage without going too opaque. Prob best to build a test piece, but interested if anyone has been there thx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 I part-painted a Panic bipe with acrylic paint. My film is a semi matt, and I’m told takes paint better than gloss. The result was OK on a hack, but adhesion of the paint was poor, and it could be scraped off. I didn’t prepare the film. If I did it again I would give it a wipe with MEK (butan2one). applying a translucent paint might be easier than a difficult spray job. Vallejo do a range Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveB1 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Thanks Don, good advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Davies 3 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 I'm sure others will be able to elaborate, but paint adheres just fine to laminating film if it is prepared suitably. I rough mine up with fine wire wool and then use a light spray of an acrylic primer. I guess with careful use, you could achieve a translucent finish. The finish on my warbirds is fairly tough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 (edited) I would like some advise on the use of Laminating film please. I should point out that I am a returnee, so am just getting used to using the widely used products like Solarfilm, Oratex and the like( I use brand names to avoid confusion when comparing with (Laminting) film.!. I have used these coverings a couple of times and the finished surface over open structures seems relatively strong and non-stretchable. I have been using the laminating film over my current model, ( Large ) , both sheet and open structures. On sheet it seems ok, although I have not applied any colouring paint etc. However when used on open structures the film appears to be damaged easily when handling after application. It dents ,stretches and perforates easily. The film I am using is that that I got from Ron, (Thanks again Ron)Am I expecting to much?. Are these characteristics coomon or am I doing/not doing something ?. It also seems relatively easy to blow through when using a heat gun on open structures(Max 150c with an iron, cant measure the temp when using a gun!!!!!). Looking for advise and comments as I dont remember seeing any comments like mine on the forum. Bas Edited December 8, 2021 by Basil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outrunner Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 Basil. I've been using Ron's laminating film too. Absolutely no problems at all, it went on perfectly in open framework and solid areas. The open framework shows no sign of sagging or fragility. I applied mine with a covering iron and the heat gun is not allowed to go anywhere near it. You cannot control the heat gun temperature and I believe they are cause of most covering problems, stick to the iron for applying and shrinking and it will work fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 Heat guns are the tool of the Devil. OK for warming sinners, but not much else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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