kc Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Did any forum member realise that a temporary flight restriction had been put in place for Buxton on that date? Do all forum members check that no new restrictions have placed recently before they fly at their normal field? Almost certainly not, so that aspect of the crime could inadvertantly happen to any of us. Hence the 'drawing and quartering ' ( mentioned in the other thread Leccyflyer ) should not be enforced! About 5 or 6 summers ago there was a '1940's style' fete held in my town. It never occurred to me that there might be any flight restrictions issued for a fete! So when the B o B Hurricane, Spitfire, Lanc and a Dakota circled around my house 3 times at low level and then presumably on to the fete I was amazed! Of course I don't fly from my garden but the club flew 1/2 mile away and nobody mentioned any restrictions. So it can happen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I’m not sure that any serious calls for corporal (or corporate…) punishment have actually been made in this thread - the nearest I’ve found being mention of someone intending to “nobble” a drone flyer to educate him. One definition of the term is “to accost” so I would hope this was the intention. I agree with Matty that overreaction and incitement to violence has no place in this forum so please remember to count to ten before posting in righteous outrage! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Engine Doctor said: Ignorance, stupidity or the growing attitude these days of " I know better , it doesn't apply to me " . Let's hope the judge wh9 sentences him is a Hanging Judge Jeffrey's type and not a snowflake who gives the idiot a very strong telling off ! Based on my rusty GCSE history and a bit of Googling I'd say this gets pretty close, but fair enough - the Mods should always make the final call, and I see the one that did request corpral punsihment in the other thread has since been removed which is a good thing. Edited January 10, 2023 by MattyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyGnome Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 hours ago, kc said: Aeromodellers reaction to this should be that it's not us who have A certificates, insurance and fly from known flying fields but rogue fliers who just fly from anywhere and probably uninsured. Actually it's the camera on the drone that causes this type of problem - that should be subject of any future limitation. Are you assuming everyone has an A certificate? I don't and have been flying safely for 45+ years...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 We don't yet have any facts about this model or how it was flown so we cannot speculate. But if something happened inadvertantly to any of us then perhaps it would be wise to always follow Horace Rumpole's advice and " never plead guilty" Very difficult to prove what any model aircraft did or didn't do as we all know when investigating what went wrong after a flight mishap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engine Doctor Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 1 hour ago, MattyB said: Based on my rusty GCSE history and a bit of Googling I'd say this gets pretty close, but fair enough - the Mods should always make the final call, and I see the one that did request corpral punsihment in the other thread has since been removed which is a good thing. Do you seriously think I'm suggesting he should be subjected to corporal punishment , now illegal in the UK as we both are aware ? My gasht is flabbered! Judge Jeffries is well known as a symbol of stern judgement rather than a telling off. You are obviously reading too much into it. What has road deaths and ROSPA figures to do with a drone incident ? I regularly had to extricate people from car carnage in my work , often caused by drunk or stupid drivers so please don't go there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Bran Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I don't come here much these days, and many posts here are a reminder of why. I have a suggestion. Instead of all the hyperbole and trite done to death comments, lets pay attention to where the dangers actually are and do what we can to more publicly highlight them as a true priority for action and as side effect hopefully deflect the authorities and the media etc to address the REAL issues affecting aviation safety? Have a look at the last few Air Accident Investigation Branch reports, they make interesting reading. There's the 43 year old 6 seat twin GA aircraft that had one engine fail, then found it so severely down on power such that it could not fly level on the one left and to quote the report "landed in a field near Enfield", urban north London. I have the statement in speech marks as the plane is officially listed elsewhere as "destroyed" on that date. It was found to have been operated significantly beyond the manufacturers overhaul interval for the engines. NOW, you might expect that would generate at minimum a severe "don't do that" response from the AAIB if not the sort of reaction some here want for a drone incursion (not that such is acceptable)? And??? They have recommended that if taking engines beyond the recommended overhaul period, it would be a good idea if a periodic climb test was undertaken. Another example, a helicopter pilot out for a jolly spotted a stone structure on a mountain top in Wales so went for a close low level look (well under 120 metres). He crashed it. They site the tail gearbox as the issue. What, not his stupidity in flying ultra low at a mountain top location even a junior school boy would recognise as prone to violent turbulence causing systems overload and a pilots skills gap?? Look longer term........and its no better advised and/or "policed"........ here or in the USA. Guess how many pilots in the UK landed a GA with the wheels up last year? Drones are fast being forced to have electronic conspicuity, yet a "wheels up under "X" feet warning is not even recommended, let alone enforced. Forget the deaths by car accident comparison........... How many people are on average killed PER WEEK in the USA due to light aircraft accidents with little or nothing done, yet the FAA is hounding model aircraft flyers? (Clue, its not single figures) Don't whinge, DO someting positive. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyB Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Dave Bran said: I don't come here much these days, and many posts here are a reminder of why. I have a suggestion. Instead of all the hyperbole and trite done to death comments, lets pay attention to where the dangers actually are and do what we can to more publicly highlight them as a true priority for action and as side effect hopefully deflect the authorities and the media etc to address the REAL issues affecting aviation safety?... ...Don't whinge, DO someting positive. I agree to a point - these arguments could be useful ones if and when we need to fight RID. I'm jsut not sure we as individual model flyers can really use them effectively; they will need to be put forward by the national associations at the appropriate point, and with no legislation on that score tabled right now I'm sure they will want to keep their powder dry for now. Perhaps the CAA and UK Gov are waiting to see how it all goes in the US over the next 12-24 months... Edited January 10, 2023 by MattyB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickw Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, kc said: Did any forum member realise that a temporary flight restriction had been put in place for Buxton on that date? Do all forum members check that no new restrictions have placed recently before they fly at their normal field? ............................................................................... You can get email alerts about temporary restriction from the CAA Skywise system https://skywise.caa.co.uk/subscribe You can pick which category of alerts you are interested in - example selection attached. I subscribe about a year ago and regularly get emails warning me about temporary restrictions. It is quite clear what each email refers to so it is no hardship to just delete the ones not relevant to where you fly - example attached. Dick 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leccyflyer Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 Thanks Dick - very useful. It's also notable that if one is flying a drone, then the Drone Assist App should also contain details of the relevant restrictions, temporary or otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilC57 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Martin Harris - Moderator said: I’m not sure that any serious calls for corporal (or corporate…) punishment have actually been made in this thread - the nearest I’ve found being mention of someone intending to “nobble” a drone flyer to educate him. One definition of the term is “to accost” so I would hope this was the intention. Yes, that was the intention. Sorry if my choice of language confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lima Hotel Foxtrot Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Every time a thread like this gets started, I wait for the first exhortations to throw the book/string 'em up/chop their hands off etc from the keyboard warriors. I rarely have to wait long. For those of you who moan about how the CAA isn't doing it's job, or is doing it's job but not how you would do it, or how the punishments are too lenient, or how more people need educating... The CAA currently has a job vacancy for an RPAS Policy Specialist. So if you're an expert with loud and obnoxious opinions why not put your money where your mouth is and make an attempt at influencing the RPAS world instead of repeating the same tiresome bleatings yet again. https://careers.caa.co.uk/job/Gatwick-RPAS-Policy-Specialist/888024901/ 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 13 hours ago, Dickw said: You can get email alerts about temporary restriction from the CAA Skywise system https://skywise.caa.co.uk/subscribe You can pick which category of alerts you are interested in - example selection attached. I subscribe about a year ago and regularly get emails warning me about temporary restrictions. It is quite clear what each email refers to so it is no hardship to just delete the ones not relevant to where you fly - example attached. Dick I would second this advice and encourage any responsible model flyer to subscribe. At a minimum, I would suggest that all club safety officers should do so and perhaps the BMFA and other organisations should press for all their clubs to nominate/confirm a contact email during the annual renewal process and publicise/encourage use of the facility via their member communication channels? A good sign-up rate from model flyers can only reinforce our case as being responsible members of the aviation community. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lima Hotel Foxtrot Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 1 hour ago, Martin Harris - Moderator said: I would second this advice and encourage any responsible model flyer to subscribe. At a minimum, I would suggest that all club safety officers should do so and perhaps the BMFA and other organisations should press for all their clubs to nominate/confirm a contact email during the annual renewal process and publicise/encourage use of the facility via their member communication channels? A good sign-up rate from model flyers can only reinforce our case as being responsible members of the aviation community. Agreed, but I would suggest that the entire club committee should sign up as a matter of course. I do as club chairman, as do the secretary and treasurer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Channing Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) There's only one way to sort this out and it means bringing in Jeremy Clarkson, A man who says it as it is. and towing the defendant behind a car naked at Buckminster whilst throwing cheap nasty Hobbyking servos at him, Edited January 11, 2023 by Jason Channing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff S Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 18 hours ago, Dickw said: You can get email alerts about temporary restriction from the CAA Skywise system https://skywise.caa.co.uk/subscribe You can pick which category of alerts you are interested in - example selection attached. I subscribe about a year ago and regularly get emails warning me about temporary restrictions. It is quite clear what each email refers to so it is no hardship to just delete the ones not relevant to where you fly - example attached. Dick Not been aware of this before but I've just signed up and it's very quick and easy to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyGnome Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 32 minutes ago, Geoff S said: Not been aware of this before but I've just signed up and it's very quick and easy to do. Ditto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 I think we’re all in agreement that this type of behaviour isn’t to be tolerated and it seems the powers that be have exercised the relevant legislation to bring the offender to book. It remains to be seen what punishment is issued but it’s to be hoped that it will be commensurate with the crime. There seems little point speculating further and the thread has started to digress into side arguments so we’ll close it now. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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