Fly Boy 3 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 My motor will not turn on my Artizan when switched on. As a newbie to electrics I am concerned. If say motor was duff, would it damage a new esc that I may fit to see where problem is.Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 While it could be a myriad of things, the first that comes to mind is whether you're using a Futaba transmitter? Why should that make a difference? Futaba throttles work the opposite way to almost everyone else's and need reversing, otherwise most ESCs won't arm. Also, have you calibrated your ESC - usually a case of connecting the battery with the throttle wide open (propeller NOT fitted please!) wait for the beeping to stop and close the throttle - refer to specific instructions if possible. Don't forget that if you're reusing an IC model memory, the end points must be returned to 100% range. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly Boy 3 Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 Hi Martin, strange thing My 20 year old Fataba died. Making an entry into electrics with a budget fly sky i6a and a battered foamie ( my first foamie ever) I borrowed an esc, connected up and just turned power on with no prop. motor turned so I assumed esc was duff. Connected up today with same set up but no go. Perhaps I need new esc and motor, it’s called the joys of flying lol. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul De Tourtoulon Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Have you tried it on a servo tester ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Lewis 3 Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 59 minutes ago, Fly Boy 3 said: If say motor was duff, would it damage a new esc that I may fit to see where problem is. To answer your question yes it can and does, a short in the motor can destroy the esc, just don't ask me how I know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly Boy 3 Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 Ah Paul, good one. Did see vid to test motor on u tube some time ago. Will give it a try. Thanks for reminding me especially after reading Philips answer. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) While a servo tester will give a "clean" input to the ESC, you still need your ESC to control the motor so it will be at the same risk of damage from a faulty motor. P.S. I'm assuming this is a 3 phase brushless motor and not a DC one? Edited March 13 by Martin Harris - Moderator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Chaddock Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 I would have to comment that a motor is far more robust than an ESC, A motor can stand a short duration 200% over load amps . An ESC is full of electronics that will fail instantly under such condition. The most likely cause for "no motor" is a bad connection somewhere. The only solution is to wiggle ever connector to see what happens. Note just because you have wiggled a connection and it now works still requires that connector to be parted and re soldered. Next have you successfully bound the receiver to the transmitter. Does the motor make any sounds when you connect the power with the transmitter switched. Does the ESC cause the motor to make an noises when power is supplied with the TX switched on Almost any ESC will run almost any motor no matter how small so it is a good way of testing an ESC without risking it any damage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly Boy 3 Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 Yes Martin, it is a brushless 3 phase motor. Tested system with servo tester and motor runs well and controlled. Re connected the esc and not one rev. Can I assume the esc has gone ? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Reconnected the ESC? I assume you mean reconnected it to the receiver. No - if your motor runs correctly then it may be a transmitter programming problem. Do you have the ESC plugged in to the correct throttle channel in the receiver? It may not be channel 3 as you're used to with Futaba - I don't know FlySky. Do the other controls respond? If not, there could be a binding error. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly Boy 3 Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 Thanks for that Martin, will give it another complete check out in the morning. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Day Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) Sounds like a transmitter/receiver fault/connection issue if its all up and running on a servo tester. If using the fly sky 6 channel you can do the firmware upgrade to 10 channels for a little future proofing Edited March 14 by Frank Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly Boy 3 Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 Hi Frank, does seem odd. Checked all connections once again, all correct. Motor gives arming beeps when battery connected, but no motor movement at all. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Have you performed the ESC training procedure? If your transmitter’s throttle range isn’t recognised then the ESC may not operate the motor. Before doing anything, check that the throttle range hasn’t been altered from default and that the trim is at neutral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly Boy 3 Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 Will do Martin, but I do get full control when using servo tester system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RottenRow Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Can you use the transmitter’s display function (section 5.4, page 14 of the manual) to make sure that the throttle channel output signal is actually changing with movement of the stick? And by how much? The i6 has a throttle hold function, perhaps this has got set to zero by mistake. Also check that the end points for the throttle channel are set to + and - 100% (same page of manual). As the motor runs when the ESC is fed with a signal from a servo tester, that suggests that the problem isn’t a faulty ESC or motor. Here is the i6 manual if you don’t have it: FS-i6+User+manual+20160819.pdf Brian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 30 minutes ago, Fly Boy 3 said: Will do Martin, but I do get full control when using servo tester system. That’s exactly the point. Your ESC and motor have been shown to be working so it has to be a problem with the signal being seen by the receiver. Did you confirm that the other servos e.g. ailerons, elevator, respond to control inputs to confirm that your receiver is bound to the transmitter? If so, then follow Rotten Row’s guidance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 Could the ESC to Rx plug have been placed in 'upside down' ? Result is no power to Rx. Futaba had a bit on their plugs to stop this, but most other plugs don't have this now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban8 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 (edited) As has been said, it points to the ESC not liking the signal from the RX throttle channel - if the motor runs ok from a servo tester, plug a test servo into the tester and note its full sweep and direction and then plug the same servo into the RX throttle output and perform a full sweep from the throttle stick - note any differences e.g reversing (identical) or throw which should be very small if at all. Chances are you'll see a difference in the throttle output movement which you should be able to correct to suit the ESC. Had this before on a friend's model, some ESCs just seem a bit fussier than others. Edited March 14 by Cuban8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly Boy 3 Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 Thanks for all your input into this problem. Here is what I have done so far. All connections checked for correct polarity and tightness ok Allother control surfaces moving correctly ok End points and throttle hold ok Cannot perform esc training Martin as Tx will not switch on with throttle up Start up beeps when battery is connected, same beeps when Tx switched on Will try Cuban 8 suggestion after dinner I am using 60amp esc ( only one I have lol) motor requires a 30 amp Fly skyi6a twin antenna moved during tests, but no joy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 You can open the throttle after turning the transmitter on - it’s the ESC seeing full throttle when the flight battery is connected that starts the training sequence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Stephenson Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 This sounds like a problem I had with an ESC. It worked just fine until one day when I was testing it with the prop off, it simply wouldn't run the motor. It made all the right sounds, the 6 beeps to count the number of cells then the go signal but no action after that. I sent it back to the supplier but they repeatedly claimed it never arrived. I lost patience and bought another one from a different supplier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyGnome Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 18 minutes ago, Fly Boy 3 said: End points and throttle hold ok How is your Throttle Hold set up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban8 Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 FB3, have you gone through this which I believe is the manual for your ESC? https://www.horizonhobby.com/on/demandware.static/Sites-horizon-us-Site/Sites-horizon-master/default/Manuals/EFL30AProBrushlessESCInstSheet.pdf Can't be certain, but check that you're following the ESC arming procedure correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fly Boy 3 Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 My apologies. I am a DUNCE This is my first move into electrics ( second hand foamie and budget radio). After. 36 years with ic and Futaba, I assumed the Rx needed a supply. The supply I was using was from the esc . Therefore there was no throttle signal going to the esc. I am so sorry. On the bright side I have learned a lot in a short time from the great knowledge of you leccy men. Thank you very much. Could be an age thing, 86 next month and still learning and flying. Cheers 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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