Engine Doctor Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 See Sky News article re the trials or remotely operated drone trials Now many of us have signed up to the new regs imposed upon us by the CAA and DFT and paid our £9 : all of a sudden its ok to fly drones Via FPV from remote control units for deliveries and Site inspections flaunting the laws and regs imposed upon us .Not just out of line of site but up to 50 miles away according to the article . It looks like we modelers have been used/duped to help pay for the setting up of this CAA department, or am I just being cynical ? Conned by duplicitous politicians and back room departments yet again ? This also begs the question ,is it these drones that are being reported by pilots of aircraft all along ? If we do it its called mischief or breaking the law if a company does it its called progress Edited By Engine Doctor on 26/12/2019 11:07:09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Calcutt Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 The story is on the front page of today's times.From next year pilotless drones will be controlled from centres up to 50 miles away,apparently the market could be worth up to £42 billion pounds.It is going to happen apart from the end of model flying which is small fry imagine the loss of jobs and the devastation of wildlife what's left of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Yea, but this is Sky News. Check they can get the date right, and if the writer has every been to school, or studied anything better than an basic level qualification in useless adjectives, and in pulling the wings off flies. It struck me that they were describing, is it extended line of sight?, already allowed for in the regulations. Unless the government moves to limit liability to bystanders, what Sky was implying ain't going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J D 8 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Been a con all along, and I am a poet and I did know it. The feature is on the front page of the Times. Edited By J D 8 on 26/12/2019 11:21:24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engine Doctor Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 Posted by Don Fry on 26/12/2019 11:17:06: Yea, but this is Sky News. Check they can get the date right, and if the writer has every been to school, or studied anything better than an basic level qualification in useless adjectives, and in pulling the wings off flies. It struck me that they were describing, is it extended line of sight?, already allowed for in the regulations. Unless the government moves to limit liability to bystanders, what Sky was implying ain't going to happen. Hi Don . They Quote " up to 50 miles " Now that is extended line of site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Martin Harris - Moderator Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Didn't Amazon get permission for and conduct a BLOS trial in Cambridgeshire a couple of years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Posted by Steve J on 26/12/2019 11:35:57: Posted by Engine Doctor on 26/12/2019 11:04:47: Conned by duplicitous politicians and back room departments yet again ? Nobody has been conned. The only people that will be surprised by this are the wilfully ignorant. I'm sure I'm not the only one to suggest to the CAA and politicians that the beneficiaries of the new legislation should be the ones paying fees - i.e. commercial drone operators and to a lesser extent, airlines benefitting from increased customer confidence against the "drone menace" now that we have little numbers to display... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bob Cotsford Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Posted by Steve J on 26/12/2019 11:35:57: Posted by Engine Doctor on 26/12/2019 11:04:47: Conned by duplicitous politicians and back room departments yet again ? Nobody has been conned. The only people that will be surprised by this are the wilfully ignorant. Some of us have been saying that this was behind the regs all along. Now, I very much doubt that these drones will bear much more than a superficial resemblance to anything we fly or that can be bought over the counter and I would imagine the operators will be expected to operate at a much more professional level than we are. The military have been operating extremely BVLOS drones for many years, it's not really surprising that this sort of professional grade technology will trickle down to civilian commercial users. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Miller Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Could it be that we are going back (if we ever left) the old "One law for the rich and one law for the poor"? I do wonder what insurance the delivery companies have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cymaz Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 As soon as the first one crashes and causes damage, that will be the end of it in my humble opinion. Edited By cymaz on 26/12/2019 15:39:56 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I expect that what has been described is the start, of a set evolving operational methods. You can imagine that monitoring overhead transmission lines could be considered routine, which could easily be flown by a series of way points. A similar situation can be argued for railway infrastructure. All the information from monitoring being automatically recorded and probably alarmed, without recourse to any second by second interaction by any human. Any interaction being determined by an algorithm, rather than by necessity, beyond planning, submission of a flight plan for approval, initiation of the flight and its termination. I am sure you all can imagine other modes of operation. What any of this would mean to us, I cannot even guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 We doomed again ? Happy New Years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cymaz Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 The bmfa can now send the magazine out by drone delivery instead of posting.....I’ll get my coat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONZO Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Fit these drones with LIDAR(already been done in other countries) and you can monitor the UK and its inhabitants in ALL manner of ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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GONZO Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 NOT a SUAV This is not a remote control model. Rather it is a sub 70kg foot launched aircraft with the flight controls operated via a RC Tx. Of course if he took it off his back and flew it 3rd person LOS then it would fall under the requirements of DRES. But, as shown and if flown in this country no licence, no registration, no test, etc . Just buy/make and fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinFlynn Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Need to improve on the duration from that clip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GONZO Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Mr MPW You only have to view a few of this chaps(school operator and owner) videos to see that all this system of rules and regulations is orientated towards multi rotors and commercial/business operations. IMO he seems to be almost salivating at the thought of extra cash flow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Posted by Steve J on 26/12/2019 18:34:45: Posted by Martin Harris on 26/12/2019 11:44:22: I'm sure I'm not the only one to suggest to the CAA and politicians that the beneficiaries of the new legislation should be the ones paying fees (ORS5 349) Edited By Steve J on 26/12/2019 18:35:35 While there are undoubtedly fees paid by commercial operators, I was referring to the fees that we, as modellers, are being made to pay for the dubious privilege of setting up the basics of a database to be incorporated in an identification and control system. Remember how the good Baroness gleefully trumpeted that we, as beneficiaries, should be happy to pay an equal share of the set up and running costs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_K Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 The FAA have released their anticipated Notice of Proposed Rulemaking for Remote Identification. This is in America and not the final document. I mention it here to reinforce the fact that preparations for commercial BVLOS are advancing. When we get the equivalent European draft laws I expect those of us with the inclination will discuss it in The Gov't, BMFA & UAV legislation thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Whisky Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Thought you might enjoy this ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mike Blandford Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Posted by Martin_K on 26/12/2019 22:24:39: The FAA have released their anticipated Notice of Proposed Rulemaking for Remote Identification. This is in America and not the final document. I mention it here to reinforce the fact that preparations for commercial BVLOS are advancing. When we get the equivalent European draft laws I expect those of us with the inclination will discuss it in The Gov't, BMFA & UAV legislation thread. What I found interesting in something I read on this linked from another forum is it includes: " including the small UAS rule, which covers drones weighing less than 55 pounds other than model aircraft " so it looks like they may be EXCLUDING model aircraft. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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