Rich Griff Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 There is a branch of "The Works" shop in Caernarfon who stock quite a bit of craft type stuff. They do a clear drying PVA. Has anyone used this and does it dry hard and sandable, or dry "rubbery", sandable but with rubbery gobs coming off, please ? They do a white PVA also, does that dry clear and hard and sandable please ? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Gorham_ Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 That's a craft glue for sticking paper and card down. I'd guess non toxicity and cheapness were the main criteria for the Works stocking it. Cant speakers for anyone else but I like using proper wood glues such as Evostik Resin W or Titebond. I don't like making false economies. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 Don't known titebond, resin w dries clear from memory but sands a bit rubbery, mind you that was years ago. Cannot remember the name of the white PVA that dried clear and was easily sandable as it dried hard ? I would like a PVA that dries clear and easily sandable ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Robson Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 I bought a large De luxe Materials aliphatic resin to plank a Brian Taylor Hawker Tempest and found it worse for ridges than Evostik. I prefer Evostik resin w for structure work as it has good strength but I have found Gorilla PVA sands good and does not leave ridges . It has been on offer at some places I paid around £8 for 532ml where as De luxe materials is about £14 for a similar amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 Gorilla glue, not used their PVA, if they make it. I have used the glue that foams up, but that's cancerous I believe, I think it said it was on the pack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlyBird Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 40 minutes ago, Rich Griff said: I have used the glue that foams up, but that's cancerous I believe, I think it said it was on the pack. No it does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike T Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Off topic, but if you ARE visiting The Works they do some excellent artists paintbrush selections for about a fiver. I was prepared for cheap and cheerful, but they have proved to be very good quality. Back to PVA... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Manuel Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, EarlyBird said: No it does not. H351 is classed as Carcinogen Cat 2 = Suspected of causing cancer, as opposed to Carcinogen Cat 1 = Known to cause cancer. Treat it with respect, like all glues and chemicals and it is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike T Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 If you're in the State of California, pretty much everything is known (or suspected) to cause cancer! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 I always been informed, over the years, that aliphatic glues penetrate wood better, dry harder, sand better. PVA is a bit tougher, as it sets with more flex. No end of threads on this forum, and that always seems to be the consensus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Manuel Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, Mike T said: If you're in the State of California, pretty much everything is known (or suspected) to cause cancer! Indeed. There's a lot of lawyers in California making a good living from this sort of thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Context, diesel fuel has a similar safety data sheet, probably the benzine bits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Hilton Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Gary Manuel said: H351 is classed as Carcinogen Cat 2 = Suspected of causing cancer, as opposed to Carcinogen Cat 1 = Known to cause cancer. Treat it with respect, like all glues and chemicals and it is fine. This looks more like the foaming PU glue not the aliphatic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Manuel Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 41 minutes ago, Alan Hilton said: This looks more like the foaming PU glue not the aliphatic It is. That's what @Rich Griff was referring to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Hilton Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, Gary Manuel said: It is. That's what @Rich Griff was referring to. Maybe but the whole thread is about pva which is fairly safe so a casual reader may get the wrong message Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kc Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Not tried The Works stuff but I found that a supermarket cheap PVA in a green bottle was nothing like as strong as Evostik Resin W ( now called Evostik Wood Glue ) With any glue test a sample to destruction - glue two scraps of softwood or hardwood together, clamp & leave for 24 or 48 hours then rip apart. If the wood doesn't tear apart without the glue giving way then it's not as good as Evostik Wood Glue/Resin W. Even samples of beech etc have the fibres of wood give way before the glue in my tests. Cheap glues often have water or fillers added to make them cheap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveyP Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 I use Titebond and can confirm it is stronger than the wood it holds together, only downside is the drying time but to me that isn't an issue. It also sands very well ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Manuel Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Alan Hilton said: Maybe but the whole thread is about pva which is fairly safe so a casual reader may get the wrong message My apologies to the casual reader if he misunderstood my message. I offer no apologies to the formal reader, who will understand that the message I posted was about original Gorilla Glue because he read it properly ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) Titebond it is then. Where can I get some please ? Mail order as any model shop is a good 60 miles away, Denbigh I think is the closest to caernarfon area ? The works brushes, yes I spotted them last time I was in there. Edited November 7, 2021 by Rich Griff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 But, as a non casual reader, the risk is equivalent to the risk diesel offers. I accept a risk. I’m horrified at the casual attitude to diesel dispensation at the pumps. But Foaming Gorilla glue is no more dangerous. I would suggest, own a diesel car, fill up once every couple of weeks, get contaminated, or wear gloves. Gorilla glue, how often do you use it. Wear gloves if you can’t spread it with a stick. Or a bit of cling film. It’s not evil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatMc Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, Rich Griff said: Titebond it is then. Where can I get some please ? Mail order as any model shop is a good 60 miles away, Denbigh I think is the closest to caernarfon area ? Try Google Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Manuel Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Don Fry said: But, as a non casual reader, the risk is equivalent to the risk diesel offers. I accept a risk. I’m horrified at the casual attitude to diesel dispensation at the pumps. But Foaming Gorilla glue is no more dangerous. I would suggest, own a diesel car, fill up once every couple of weeks, get contaminated, or wear gloves. Gorilla glue, how often do you use it. Wear gloves if you can’t spread it with a stick. Or a bit of cling film. It’s not evil. Yes, that's what I said, but I'm sure you already know that as a non casual reader. I use it regularly. I don't wear gloves, masks or goggles but I do try not to get it all over my hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlyBird Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 here it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 I’m out of this discussion. Too complicated for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlyBird Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Don Fry said: I’m out of this discussion. Too complicated for me. It would be a lot easier if everyone stuck to the topic PVA glue. ? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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