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My next assembly ( The sequel ) ..... The Phoenix Domino EP


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3 minutes ago, toto said:

Ok chaps,

 

Am I correct in saying that one of the toggles on the transmitter could be set up as the kiil switch?

 

Toto 

Same as the throttle cut function in the NX as you use for your Arising Star 

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10 minutes ago, Learner said:

Is the Nx different to the Dx? I use the throttle cut button on my Dx8 for ic but use a toggle switch for electric

You can assign the throttle cut to any switch on both the DX and NX transmitters. I use the same switch for both IC and Electric.

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In addition to the throttle cut you can consider using an external arming plug for safety. You cut one of the power leads into the ESC and insert a socket. The socket is then shorted out with a plug to make the circuit. There are commercial solutions - search 'RC Arming Plug' eg:

 

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or in the case of my Angel I fixed a 4mm female in the fuselage & made the connection with a male plug:

 

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5 minutes ago, PDB said:

You can assign the throttle cut to any switch on both the DX and NX transmitters. I use the same switch for both IC and Electric.

Anyone who doesn’t is a bit strange to my mind. Props don’t care what the energy source is.

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11 minutes ago, PDB said:
15 minutes ago, PDB said:

You can assign the throttle cut to any switch on both the DX and NX transmitters. I use the same switch for both IC and Electric.

 

👍didn't want toto to use the button for electric cut off as he's only set up ic at the moment.

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Jhi John,

 

I tried the internet for arming plugs with EC5 connectors but no luck eith stock in the UK.

 

I could go the bananna p,ug route if I can get my soldering skills back up to par.

 

Could be the cheapest option.

 

Cheers

 

Toto 

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OK ..... I'll pick up on arming plugs , motors and ESC's as I go ..... I'm back in the shed. I have about an hour or so before I pick up my son from the airport.

 

So, first on the agenda ..... looking at the tail plane ...... hinges for the rudder and elevator .... and the over all assembly to the fuselage ..... I'll be back shortly.

 

cheers

 

toto

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OK ..... Tail plane and hinges for the rudder and elevator done ..... and here how it was done.

 

here we go .....

 

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The rear of the fuselage .....

 

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cut out holes in covering to accept tailplane ....

 

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and underneathe to accept one of the main fixing screws ( machined with hex heads )

 

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fix the horizontal elevator main section with one screw to the vertical rudder section

 

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slide the whole assembly together ....

 

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second fixing goes up through all three sections to hold everything tight ....

 

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bobs your uncle .... although there is an unsightly gap. I have giggled and messed around with this but cant get rid of it. Maybe a bit more to be done on this. thats for later .... just not the best fit.

 

then its on to the hinges for the elevator and the rudder. the rudder has been illustrated ..... just copy for the elevator halves.

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hinges .... pinned in the middle of the hinge ....

 

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slides easily into the main rudder section ....

 

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and repeat with all three hinges...

 

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insert the rudder flap , remove the pins and snug the flap right up to the main rudder section ..... add CA to the hinged area.

 

For the rudder, I lay the model on its side to stop the CA running the whole length of the joint and sticking the whole thing fast.

 

OK ..... now to move onto the wings whilst this lot sets.

 

cheers for now

 

toto

 

 

 

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Alright .... The ailerons ....

 

first of all ....

 

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put the fuselage up out of harms way to dry out ....

 

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checked wing one ....

 

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checked wing two .....

 

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and checked for a good mating with the wing brace.

 

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take a wing ..... any wing ....

 

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insert your pins into the hinges

 

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mate up the aileron flap and make sure both halves of the hinges go all the way into both halves of the two pieces of the structure ..... if not .... adjust to suit. then .... remove the pins .... push the two halves all the way home .... and apply CA to both sides of the hinges.

 

Job done ..... flex a little whilst the CA works it way in and ensure that the sections are not sticking all the way along their length.

 

Leave to dry.

 

Now .... it must be nearly airport pick up time .... so I'm orf.

 

Coming up next.... possibly fit the control horns ..... 3 of the .... 2 for the elevator halves and o ne for the rudder. I might even get round to fuel / fire proofing the front of the fuselage ..... I'm thinking Lipo fires here and also brush some clearcote over the joins in the decorative film. probably advisable given the rough finish. I may give the wings and fuselage a test fit as well to see the kind of strength gained from the design joint / fixings.

 

Thanks if you have tuned in and I'll be back later.

 

cheers

 

toto 

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, toto said:

Hi Learner just 3 on the rudder, 3 on the elevators and 4 on each of the ailerons.

 

I think its plenty anyway.

 

Cheers

 

Toto 

If the rudder linkage comes out under the tailplane a hinge at the base of the rudder  would have been better

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Hi Learner,

 

I would need to check but I think the rudder is side mounted.

 

In fact I dont think it's to clever the way that it's done but I'll dave that for later. Hopefully later tonight to expand a bit on that.

 

The elevator horns look more " as the norm " the way they are aligned.

 

Cheers for now.

 

Toto

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Since the fin/tailplane are bolt-on and therefore removable, an additional rudder hinge below the tailplane would not be possible as it would prevent removal of the assembly.

 

Dick

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38 minutes ago, Dickw said:

Since the fin/tailplane are bolt-on and therefore removable, an additional rudder hinge below the tailplane would not be possible as it would prevent removal of the assembly.

 

Dick

There is a method, if it's really necessary but it does involve a little model making work. 🙂  

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OK .... here we are with the control surface horn connections / fitting ...

 

here is what you get ...... notice the plastic clevises .... which actually look robust enough ......P1110085.thumb.JPG.9df813b8184743517ddaa7ef6f6f9490.JPG

 

but which I swapped out for metal anyway as I had some .....

 

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and here we go .....

 

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easy enough .....

 

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in with all three and on with the metal clevises ...

 

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sizing up the first elevator control horn for drilling ... and bending in to shape ...

 

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with the bend ....

 

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and the second elevator ....

 

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job done .....

 

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onto the rudder ....

 

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here is what I was not too keen on ...... the horn goes way past the hinge line where you would normally centre it over in order to get best geometrical movement either way ....

 

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but I need not have worried as I tried out the movement manually and it works out fine .... so happy the man .....

 

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and inside the fuselage where it all comes together .....

 

SO ..... that it for now.

 

I think I will look at giving the wings a test fit as I don't have the servos to continue with the Aileron push rod fitting. I think you need to have the servo to test fir the aileron push rods etc to ensure everything is in line. So ...... dramatic halt there and in the fuselage for now. \The servos should be here by around Tuesday I reckon.

 

I should be back with a couple of piccies of the wing fitting test.

 

cheers for mow

 

toto

 

 

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OK ..... the last from the shed for tonight ..... The fire proofing to the inside of the fuselage and the clearcote to the covering joins can wait until tomorrow .... as can the landing gear. Thats about all I can do until the servos arrive and until I have chosen a suitable motor and ESC ...... feel free to advise on that please ..... I'd like to get that ordered asap to try and have this finished ready for a check over and possibly a maiden along with the Arising star next weekend.

 

But before I go any further ....... one for John as I promised ...

 

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this will be LULU ..... the boss. As you can see she is very active ..... a golden retriever  in name only.

 

So to finish off, I test fitted the wings .....

 

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and ..... 

 

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and another .....

 

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but there is a little fettling to be done to make them fit exactly .....

 

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not the best of matings at the front of the fuselage .... but thats another job for tomorrow.

 

Looks like this is going to be over soon so I hope its been of some value ..... before moving on to my next assembly ..... The Phoenix Tiger 60.

 

cheers for now

 

toto

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1 hour ago, toto said:

OK ..... the last from the shed for tonight ..... Thats about all I can do until the servos arrive and until I have chosen a suitable motor and ESC ...... feel free to advise on that please ..... I'd like to get that ordered asap to try and have this finished ready for a check over and possibly a maiden along with the Arising star next weekend.

 

 

 

cheers for now

 

toto

I'd go for something like the Overlander 4250/06 800kV and a 60A esc, if running 4S. If you want to use the 6S that I seem to remember you've already got, go for the 500kV 4260/06, again with a 60A esc. 

The 4S would be better really - less weight to lug around.

Oh, and this is Esther, our Boxer X

 

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Kim

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Thanks Kim,

 

I'll have a look at the overlander in kings Lynn Models, I'm sure they do them.

 

Love the boxer. I used to walk my previous two Retriebers " Gupsy " and " Buddy " with my mate who had a boxer called Oscar .... what a character he was .... terrific dogs. Give him a clap from me.

 

And thanks for the advise.

 

Cheers

 

Toto

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If not the Overlander, they're sure to do something similar - they're proprietary motors badged up for different manufacturers as far as I can see.

If not, Sussex Model Centre are showing them in stock as I write.

Esther is most offended - she says she's definitely not a he and never has been. 😄

Boxer / Staffie cross, and as mad as a box of frogs.

Kim

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Hi Kim,

 

Just had a quick look at the Overlander stuff. The only drawback is the ESC comes with Dean's connectors. All my batteries use EC5 ( blue ) connectors. How easy would it be to change that over ? I'd rather not change my battery terminals over to suit the ESC.

 

I'll give Steve a bell tomorrow as he mentioned previously that he can do connectors to suit. I'm sure that was for batteries and ESC's 

 

Please extend my deepest apologies to Esther. I had a 50% chance of getting it right ..... and blew it. Tell her she is a beautiful girl ... I 'm in grovelling mode now .....:classic_biggrin:

 

Toto

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