Robert Cracknell Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I have a laptop running Windows 10 which I am happy with. The problem I have is that on two occasions recently Windows 11 decided to install itself without either my knowledge or permission and I don't like it...!! Does anyone know how to stop this happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Lewis 3 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Go to windows updates (just type that in the search box), if it shows windows 11 available at the top click on "stay on windows 10 for now", also disable get the latest updates as soon as they are available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Cracknell Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 Thanks Philip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff S Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 If you don't like the appearance of W11 you can use 'Classic Start Menu' to make it more usable. IMO it makes W11 much more user friendly and I've been using it for years. I would like to stop Widows non-security updates but that doesn't seem to be possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDB Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Windows 10 goes end of life October so unless your computer is kept permanently offline you're just delaying the inevitable upgrade to Windows 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyGnome Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 A quick Google search shows a number of ways of preventing W11 update permanently, so you'll not be forced to upgrade, and can continue with an unsupported OS if you want Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Stephenson Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) Like with Windows 7 the security updates will still keep coming long after MS say they are stopping support. https://www.lifewire.com/why-you-shouldnt-worry-about-windows-10s-end-date-5189327 Edited January 8 by Andy Stephenson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBaron Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 IMHO the best solution is to get an old version of W7 SP2 install that and lock it down so it cant update. And of course run a good firewall and good anti-virus etc just as you would have to with W11. My W7 has been locked down for 15+years with never a sign of problems. I also run Office 2010 Updates no matter what the manufacturer says are just more bad code else why do they keep coming. W10 was meant to be the best... hmm. Why do the updates keep changing the user interface? hmmm.... They call them security updates just to make the user feel that they are critical. No one knows how to write bug free code, even 100 lines worth, let alone the millions in W11 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Cracknell Posted January 8 Author Share Posted January 8 Red Baron, interesting...! My partners laptop is running W7 with Office XP and she has no problems at all. In fact, my old company which was a large £bn multi group, ran W7 for everything and paid MS to support it as they found it so reliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDB Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 56 minutes ago, Andy Stephenson said: Like with Windows 7 the security updates will still keep coming long after MS say they are stopping support. https://www.lifewire.com/why-you-shouldnt-worry-about-windows-10s-end-date-5189327 That article is over 3 years old, a lot has changed since then. From the 14th of October this year there will be no more updates (including security updates) for consumers running Windows 10. Only business users can extend beyond this date at a cost. There has been long enough to iron out bugs in Windows 11 so if you have compatable hardware upgrading is a no brainer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Stephenson Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 25 minutes ago, PDB said: ...there will be no more updates (including security updates) for consumers running Windows 10. Only business users can extend beyond this date at a cost. This is what they said about Win 7 but there were updates for me as a home user after the "end" date. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDB Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 6 hours ago, Andy Stephenson said: This is what they said about Win 7 but there were updates for me as a home user after the "end" date. For clarification there are two end dates, a date whereby only security updates continue to be provided and an end of life date, October is the latter for Windows 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyGnome Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Many large companies run systems, often mision-critical ones, on outdated software with no issues. Typically, they don't accept all updates, at any time - just critical ones. Eventially they get forced to upgrade as peripheral systems, hardware, or firmware becomes so incompatible thay they have little choice. At which point, you find you can't update just one thing without causing other issues! Extended software support, past consumer end of life, is expensive, and rather limited... Provides you're sensible about anti-malware precautions, you could happily run an old OS for years - just accept that you may not be able to update some applications, and it's advisable to prevent auto-updates of all your applications to prevent inadvertant incompatabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDB Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, GrumpyGnome said: Many large companies run systems, often mision-critical ones, on outdated software with no issues. Those systems (for compliance and security reasons) are disconnected from public facing networks hence managing updates is a manual process and regarding old versions of Windows they're put under an ESU (Extended Support Update) license with Microsoft which according to the age of the OS increases in cost per device. Believe it or not Windows 95 is still in use in some places. Unless you have a PC manufactured before approx. 2016/17 which does not have a TPM2 chip fitted or an old application/driver which is not Windows 11 compatible then not upgrading to Windows 11 doesn't make sense as it is over 4 years old now and is very stable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Walsh Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, GrumpyGnome said: Many large companies run systems, often mision-critical ones, on outdated software with no issues. Typically, they don't accept all updates, at any time - just critical ones. Eventially they get forced to upgrade as peripheral systems, hardware, or firmware becomes so incompatible thay they have little choice. At which point, you find you can't update just one thing without causing other issues! Extended software support, past consumer end of life, is expensive, and rather limited... Provides you're sensible about anti-malware precautions, you could happily run an old OS for years - just accept that you may not be able to update some applications, and it's advisable to prevent auto-updates of all your applications to prevent inadvertant incompatabilities. One of my PCs is still running Vista! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickw Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 We have three laptops, two on Win 10 and one on Win 7. We did update the Win 7 one to Win 10 many years ago, but although it worked it was too slow to be useable so we quickly reverted to Win 7 and it is still in daily use. Neither of the Win 10 laptops are compatible with Win 11 even though the "new one" only dates from 2017. If there is ever a problem I will just have to buy a new laptop, but experience tells me there is no rush! Dick 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Jenkins Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Just tried to update to Win 11 and got this on both my PC and Laptop: This PC currently does not meet Windows 11 system requirements: The PC must support TPM 2.0 The PC must support Secure Boot The processor isn’t supported for this version of Windows. Can someone translate what this means please? Bottom line, can I upgrade something or is it better to buy a new set of hardware? Thanks Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyGnome Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 It means your hardware isn't 'good enough' for W11. There are a number of hacks available on t'internet to fool the install procedure into allowing an update, but whether that's advisable or not I couldn't say. We have W11 on the home computer,but the one in my workshop is W10, and will stay that way until it's unusable, or scarily unsafe.... I haven't seen anything about W11 that makes it desirable tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDB Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 As GG says Peter, if you want to upgrade to Windows 11 you'll need newer hardware and unless you have a burning need to upgrade stay on Windows 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Jenkins Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Thanks GG and PDB. My only worry is that of security when W10 support ceases later this year. So I guess a hardware refresh might then be necessary. However, as I have the BT/EE security software installed will that be good enough to keep me safe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyinFlynn Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 I'm afraid I have a much lower opinion of the importance of 'security updates' than most seem to. Are we really living in a virtual world where there are teams of Russian hackers queuing up to steal your machine uptime to mine bitcoin? I don't think so. In my opinion your Windows 10 installation will be perfectly useable for years to come, in just the same way that there are still lots of Win7 users out there. I would just keep passwords off the internal HDD ( keep them on a flash drive) and let Windows defender do its thing (or in your case BT/EE.) TPM2 is short for Trusted Platform Module and is an encryption standard for your computers boot sector firmware, its mission is to protect the boot process to prevent a malicious piece of software called a 'rootkit' from being installed during boot. Secure boot is just the option in your machines bios to enable TPM. The processor not being supported is just Microsoft trying to increase its potential user base. Wasn't there recently an announcement about Microsoft relaxing its TPM requirement for Win11? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Jenkins Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 Thanks for the detailed explanation. I shall continue with Win 10 until I decide to upgrade my hardware. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Smith 1 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 I suspect a type TPM module of sorts recently stopped my 2 year old MacOS desk top from downloading a MacOS compatible TX logging converter piece of software from a fellow forumite they they have used for some while. It has stymied me from doing what I want to do right now, but I am not sure it's wise to override something that my desk top PC has recommended that I don't do. So back to the drawing board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Colbourne Posted Sunday at 20:00 Share Posted Sunday at 20:00 My work laptop pushed me into an upgrade from Windows 10 to Windows 11, The laptop was then unable to see the network, despite our resident IT man spending an hour working on it. Eventually I uninstalled the updated network driver and I had the network again. In a similar vein, the Ebay app on my phone has updated and is now demanding ios 17, whereas my phone won't go beyond ios 15, so I now have to use Ebay on the browser, not the app. 😖 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Jenkins Posted Sunday at 20:34 Share Posted Sunday at 20:34 It's a conspiracy between the hardware and software manufacturers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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