Colin Leighfield Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Great to hear that the dogfight double idea is coming along, the combinations of Hawker Fury and/or Gloster Gladiator with the CR42 sounds good and covers two wars, the CR32 fits in with the Spanish Civil War theme as well. Can't ignore the I15 Rata either, although aesthetically it's not my favourite! Going back to monoplanes, you then can't deny the importance of the I16 either, although it looks tricky. Although I'm not proposing it right now, another charismatic biplane subject would be the Fairey Fantome. Edited By Colin Leighfield on 19/01/2016 07:39:09 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Adams Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 If it really has to be a biplane then...... 1) Gloster Gladiator 2)Fairy Swordfish 3)Bucker Jungmann/Jungmiester....Fiat CR42 Would be the best of the bunch,I think but like I say bipes as a whole are not my bag,but those above are nice! Anyway guys is a Hawker Fury not just a double winged Hurricane? Clearly I have no taste I know, but that's exactly what the pick a plane is about,Tony designing a plane picked by the majority. Kind Regards to all Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daithi O Buitigh Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Isn't it more that the Hurricane is a monoplane Fury Steve? Well if you overlook this variant that is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onetenor Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 DH Hornet and a Falke or An Arado 240 Henschel he128 b or fw 189 there was also an experimental twin which I can't recall the name of . but had twin booms and very streamlined but bulky nacelles. Any of these with the fastest wooden wonder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leighfield Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Good one Daithi. The "Bi-Mono" idea. A bit of a clumsy alternative to drop tanks though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Adams Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Daithi, Of course your right the Hurricane is nothing more than than a monoplane Fury,but it looks so much the better for being on one wing rather than two! Good picture btw I Shall call it a Furyhurri...a Fury in a hurry to get rid of that awful draggy weighty top wing he he The resemblance to the Fury,be it an even cruder one is uncanny! Do we really need Fury in the TN stable? We're halfway there with the 62ins Hurricane already. However if it must be a biplane then the above I already mentioned would be the way to go,and not based on anything as far as I know,but I'm no expert on bipes! One thing I will say about this pick a plane so far,apart from some there has been more imagination used this time! Not heard Barrys Westland Whirlwind mentioned though....Shame had potential! Steve Edited By Steve Adams on 20/01/2016 21:00:17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Lane Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 How about a Bucker Bestmann. 72 inch, 120 four stroke. It has loads of character, hundreds of different colour schemes, looks right so it should fly right, fixed u/c and fairly straight forward to build. Now I would clear the board for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Adams Posted January 20, 2016 Share Posted January 20, 2016 Bucker Bestmann...hmm very nice Luke! Another one similar is the Messrshmitt ME 108 Taifun both gorgeously different Thats the name of the game though mixing it up,plenty of variety....Letting our imagination run riot!! One could argue that the Bucker Bestmann and ME 108 Taifun would make great first low wing scale models. Those Germans certainly knew how to make a good plane like us Brits in their day,didn't they?! Happy Days Edited By Steve Adams on 20/01/2016 22:31:49 Edited By Steve Adams on 20/01/2016 22:35:06 Edited By Steve Adams on 20/01/2016 22:36:23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i12fly Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I'd love to build a Swordfish, or second choice Miles Magister. There are no decent scale plans out there for either in a sports size -they are either too big or tiny. A TN typical size would be wonderful. just right, perfect! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Colbourne Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Posted by i12fly on 21/01/2016 00:11:55: I'd love to build a Swordfish, or second choice Miles Magister. There are no decent scale plans out there for either in a sports size -they are either too big or tiny. A TN typical size would be wonderful. just right, perfect! I'm sure if you found a plan for either aircraft and told us what size you wanted to make it, there are plenty of people on here who could suggest what wood sizes to use and any detail changes to make (type of spar(s), wing attachment etc.). At a push, you could find a plan for a different but similar model of the same size as you want to build and use the wood sizes from that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poppy Ann Lynagh-Smith Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 For me any giant scale "at or above 3 meters wing span" high wing plane that flies slow and is easy to handle in the air that can take a 35cc petrol engine or above also it should have removable wings for transport that are easy to fit and remove unlike several that have the screws to attach the wing that you can only reach by trying to get you hand inside the model via the door with the screws resting on the top and that are almost impossible to reach with a adult hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Can any one seriously see a giant scale model being the subject of the Autumn special. From the publishers perspective that is a serious amount of paper for the drawing. From the perspective of TN there would be a serious commitment required in both the materials needed to build one, the time and space are almost certainly going to be significant. From the perspective of us punters, not many would be interested in such a size. Therefore the sales potential of bits is equally small. From my own perspective, if inclined to build such an aircraft, I hope I would have the good sense not to use a std type radio set up. Instead adopting system duplication (oh the cost) and safe guards. The final nail in the coffin would be the issue as to where I could safely fly it. Or should that be where could it fly with some one at the controls other than me with sufficient experience and skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daithi O Buitigh Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Very true Erfolg (and you didn't even mention the CAA inspection and certification needed for anything over 20 kilograms) And, iFly, there's a plan for a 52" Magister here Edited By Daithi O Buitigh on 21/01/2016 10:46:20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Tony - how about sticking with the recent EDF theme, and going for something "classic"? Me262 Gloster Meteor There are my couple of suggestions. I don't mind how big or small, as long as the fans aren't rare as hen's teeth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Adams Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Hi Andy, A Gloster Meteor and Messrshmitt ME 262 would make a great Dogfight Double pusher props/EDF. The Meteor NF11 would be the best varient but I don't think they met in combat is the only trouble Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Meade Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Hi Steve, I wasn't really thinking about the double, but yes good point. I would be happy for either in the 50-60" span range so I can get some retracts in though. I also saw up there TN was asking for suggestions in 3's, so I'd add in a Heinkel He280 as a similarly aged EDF twin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Adams Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Hi Andy I have no idea how to upload a picture that I have on my computer! But this should be right up your street http://www.rcgroups.com/articles /ezonemag/2000/Feb/aspa Cheers Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 From a practical perspective, with a view to getting some models built, if a EDF were the preferred general option, a single fan unit would in my view be preferable. We have had a Hawk from TN, which is a very popular current type of model. Again from a purely selfish standpoint, I prefer models that go fast, but not ridiculously fast, as is generally the case with modern jets. On that basis i would like something with a decent wing area and a simple fan installation. The most obvious aircraft that does this is the Heinkel 162, with a piggy back fan unit, or the similar Henschel 132 (which had a circular fuz, not square as has been modelled). Slightly more complicated would be a Dehavilland Venom/Vampire, again with a short duct (although many foam models available). Something which has not been modelled as a DF, i think, is the Miles Student, which again should model well. For something that does not need (or should) fly fast, would be a Lockheed U2. Or perhaps the Sipa at a larger scale than the recent plan, with a non scale outlet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin McIntosh Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Having read all of these posts so far I am amazed at some of the suggestions. Surely a mass build is for a project which many would like, and be capable of, actually building. The Hawes Tucano was a prime example of a simple to build model which flies well but gave inexperienced builders a lot of headaches for some reason. A lot of people could be looking for something as a first build after graduating from an ARTF trainer so in my opinion rounded fuselage EDFs, Harrier, Concorde etc would be out of the question and failure would put them off for life. Complex biplanes are in a world of their own and quite difficult even from a kit. A plan plus cnc parts is far removed from a kit model. Have a look at my Mossie thread. This should be a great, well designed model at the end of the day but only a lot of experience is getting me over the pitfalls encountered, bit by bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Martin, this isn't a mass build, it's for the special edition which usually features a larger than usual free plan for a more complex model such as the Typhoon or the Mossie that you are building. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin b Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 TBH I don't think the Special Issue plans are aimed at first time builders. Usually due to the subject matter as they are scale plans. In that respect Tony does make a point of trying to make them as easy to build as possible, without ending up with "cartoon scale" results. I'm sure whatever is chosen will be popular and at the very least go into peoples "I'll save that for later" collection. Mine is getting pretty large ! Kevinb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 It's only a plan if it's used, if not it's a bit of paper with lines on Tony will make his own decision after viewing the feedback, but for me no multi engine/wing, retracts. A good looking Aeroplane I can afford to build works for me. John.....on a budget Dept Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cotsford Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 are we there yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Leighfield Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 For those keen on early jets for edf, particularly with easy underslung engines and short exhaust tubes, what about the Yak15 and Mig 9? Simple monoplanes, with or without retracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenz Mueller Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Posted by Luke Lane on 20/01/2016 21:53:54: How about a Bucker Bestmann. 72 inch, 120 four stroke. It has loads of character, hundreds of different colour schemes, looks right so it should fly right, fixed u/c and fairly straight forward to build. Now I would clear the board for this. There already is a Bücker Bestmann in that size. It even was sold as a kit by Krick, it flew on a .40 engine. The plan should still be available if you look around. I'd like to change my third choice again, so it is now: 1. De Havilland Hornet, about 70-80 inch electric, 2. Douglas Invader, same size and for the biplane lovers 3. Bristol Bulldog, sized for a .40 equivalent electric Lorenz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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