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[Simon Webb]

I am actually very happy with 115 points as I forgot my predictions!!

 

Despite the gallant efforts of our very own John P reminding us! 👌

 

A jammy one that .......as I didn't lose position.......🤪

Edited October 24, 2022 by Simon Webb

[Erfolg]

With regard the accounts, it seems that the source of the early leak, supposedly an ex employee of one of the teams.

 

It has been suggested that the sum is about £1m, nor rumoured now to be £1.8m, related to procedural issues. I have no clue what a "procedural issue" is. Ther again is a rumpur if Red Bull accept guilt, then the consequences will be minimal. If they go to independent appeal and win, their will be disapointment within the FIA. Again what disappointment actually practically means.

 

Then I do not understand why Toto said that for financial reasons he would not initially travel to the USA. 

 

In essence there appears to be a lot of fog regarding the whole issue. Will there ever be a open declaration , where all teams operations be declared?

 

I do wonder if it can be fair, where a driver takes another out of a race and is able to continue, is a time penalty proportional, or would be disqualification more appropriate?

 

 

[iqon]

Results are being updated.

[iqon]

The gap just got wider.....

[McG 6969]

... well, if Alonso loses his points, I'll going to have the same points lost as well together with the Fantasy bonus points for rank progression.

 

On a side note, Alpine has introduced a complaint against Fernando's 30 seconds punishment. Wait and see, so far...

 

C'est la vie...

 

Chris

 

EDIT > ... it seems now that I lost 20 points and 2nd positionis back to Tony... Bravo, Tony...

Edited October 24, 2022 by McG 6969
result update

[john stones 1 - Moderator]

Gained points via the stewards for a change, predictions rubbish, bonus points across the board. Ferrari getting the calls right for Charles, wonders never cease.

What other sport can you take a competitor out and not get DQ'd ? 5 second penalty is ludicrous yet it never gets talked about, football, red card, track running/cycling red card etc etc.

[John Privett]

Alonso's 30-second post-race penalty has certainly caused a significant reshuffling of the points in our table.  Many of us have gained a few points,  others have lost quite a few.  A small number of us are unaffected.

 

Here's the revised points score from yesterday;

 

Pos	League Rank	Team	Manager	Pts
1	4 0	Pitts Specials	john stones	195
2	1 0	Igoronic racing	iqon	178
3	3 0	GASTON Formula	Chris McG	165
4	2 0	Essex Racing	Tony Clark	139
5	9 1	PSS Power	Flyer	132
6	10 1	Norfolk Flyers	Kevin Fairgrieve	129
7	6 0	Revers Racing	Pete B	127
8	5 0	DMFC Racing Team	Simon Webb	123
9	14 1	The JP Specials	johnpflyrc	120
10	11 0	Team Charles Picd	Charles Pic	117
11	12 0	Torque of the devil	Stu	111
12	13 0	teewrex	John Tee	104
13	7 0	LetsGoTotoLetsGo	GrumpyGnome	96
14	8 0	Oyster f1	Glenn Philbrick	86
15	15 1	Hans Brake	Zoonie	82

 

 

John S still takes top place with an increased score of 195.  Iqon's increased score of 178 now gets him second place and Chris' reduced score of 165 leaves him third.

 

The overall table now looks like this;

 

Pos	League Rank	Team	Manager	Pts
1	1 0	Igoronic racing	iqon	2754
2	2 0	Essex Racing	Tony Clark	2641
3	3 0	GASTON Formula	Chris McG	2639
4	4 0	Pitts Specials	john stones	2528
5	5 0	DMFC Racing Team	Simon Webb	2380
6	6 0	Revers Racing	Pete B	2317
7	7 0	LetsGoTotoLetsGo	GrumpyGnome	2226
8	8 0	Oyster f1	Glenn Philbrick	2210
9	9 1	PSS Power	Flyer	2181
10	10 1	Norfolk Flyers	Kevin Fairgrieve	2180
11	11 0	Team Charles Picd	Charles Pic	2163
12	12 0	Torque of the devil	Stu	2115
13	13 0	teewrex	John Tee	2000
14	14 1	The JP Specials	johnpflyrc	1952
15	15 1	Hans Brake	Zoonie	1949

 

 

Tony now holds on to second place ahead of Chris,  but the gap is only two points!

 

Ade now takes 9th from Kev - and this gap is only ONE point!

 

And at the foot of the table, Zoonie has still managed to grab bottom place from me, and still with just a 3-point gap...

 

Onwards to Mexico!

[McG 6969]

Thanks once more for the update, John.

 

Ahora vamos a Mexico...

 

Chris

[GrumpyGnome]

Think there's an appeal by Alpine to get the points back....... don't hold your breath!

[john stones 1 - Moderator]

Reading the reason Alonso got a 30 second penalty, looks like he has a good case. Perez drove with a damaged end plate, it fell off later, no flag/penalty, no flag for Alonso either. Hass objected after the time limit, inconsistent. 30 second penalty for no wing mirror, 5 for taking another car out ?

[McG 6969]

... +1, John.

Total inconsistency, indeed.

 

But can you imagine, coming thursday, that a panel of FIA stewards will/could declare that the Austin FIA stewards made a mistake !!! ...

 

I'm afraid Omar/Alpine are riding a dead horse here.

 

Chris

[john stones 1 - Moderator]

Given the ongoing kerfuffle re Redbull, I would hope they abide by the rules as others should, if Alonsos at fault Perez is and many drivers/stewards from previous races, of course Hass being a US team has nowt to do with the decision or lack of. 😉

[Erfolg]

With respect of Red Bull, you can only speculate on the teams future, with the death of the owner.

 

With respect to challenging the FIA with respect to the cap, again will we ever know the impact of the loss. Apparently some teams legal expenses are funded by so called third parties, rather than their teams budgets. Apparently large areas of expenditure are not subject to the cap. I read some time ago that teams that participated in other areas of motor sport, or even manufacture, can legally take advantage of developments from these other areas, or encourage developments that could be partially or fully incorporated, with in some cases provisos. Apparently Reb Bull and Torro Rosso were specifically barred from any such arrangements.

 

 

[Zflyer]

I have no problem propping up the rest of the table, after all they are my predictions.

That said I am coming to the conclusion that Formula Fantasy FIA would be  real test of one's predictions and a lot more entertaining as the rules bend, shift and change and the penalties also have a wide ranging elasticity. One could be top and bottom of the table the same day regardless of prediction.

[Erfolg]

I may rejoin next year, that is if you will have me?

 

As encouragement, I was pretty much in last place in previous years. Even though I had Hamilton as my driver, Mercedes as the car. The rest of the team was just the low point driver and car. Ah yes, predictions pretty dire. 

 

The up side is I may do better, if accepted.

[GrumpyGnome]

The more the merrier I reckon!

[Don Fry]

On 25/10/2022 at 13:17, Erfolg said:

With respect of Red Bull, you can only speculate on the teams future, with the death of the owner.

 

With respect to challenging the FIA with respect to the cap, again will we ever know the impact of the loss. Apparently some teams legal expenses are funded by so called third parties, rather than their teams budgets. Apparently large areas of expenditure are not subject to the cap. I read some time ago that teams that participated in other areas of motor sport, or even manufacture, can legally take advantage of developments from these other areas, or encourage developments that could be partially or fully incorporated, with in some cases provisos. Apparently Reb Bull and Torro Rosso were specifically barred from any such arrangements.

 

 

Erf, such is devil take the loser economic models.
I’m not too sure if I’m getting too much sympathy for the losers. Perhaps, if they had better designers, engineers, marketing people, or accountants, or indeed lawyers, they could have presented or afforded a better product, while presenting a set of accounts that passes scrutiny.
I’m not claiming a set of truthful accounts, just alternative truth accounts, delivered by better sets of competitive skills. 
I’m just sorry that some skills, the team in the pit lane, the designers, the drivers, the race tacticians, are just a small part of the circus. 

[John Privett]

5 hours ago, Erfolg said:

I may rejoin next year, that is if you will have me?

 

Of course!  The only 'qualifying requirement' is to be a member of the forum.  Whether is's new faces, or old ones rejoining, I'm always happy to see more entrants in our league table.  So come on back!

[GrumpyGnome]

Alonso has his points back in a sensible, albeit late, stewards decision!

 

Presumably FantasyF1 will update their data soon..... I should get more points but still be in 'mid table mediocrity' 🙂 

[Tony Clark]

3 hours ago, GrumpyGnome said:

Alonso has his points back in a sensible, albeit late, stewards decision!

 

Presumably FantasyF1 will update their data soon..... I should get more points but still be in 'mid table mediocrity' 🙂 

Agree with the decision although it means Essex Racing slipping back into 3rd position.

[McG 6969]

34 minutes ago, Tony Clark said:

Agree with the decision although it means Essex Racing slipping back into 3rd position.

 

Fantasy hasn't 'retro-adapted' their points yet.

But when/if they do, I can only re-confirm my apologies to Tony...

 

Como dije, estamos en México ahora.

 

Chris

 

[john stones 1 - Moderator]

Cost me points, rightly overturned.

[Erfolg]

The "Budget Cap" issue has now been resolved between the FIA and Red Bull. The link is here.

 

Seems a 10% wind tunnel time has been the main penalty.

 

I also read today if the over paid tax (not a clue to what this supposedly is was given) is refunded their would be no overspend.

 

No point deductions apparently, Lewis, well being Lewis, said he is not bothered.

 

Given Russels fine performance so far this year (with the one recent exception) will he promoted to joint leader. After all he is more of the future. Although I note that Alonso is 41, and probably would potentially again be a World Champion in a Mercedes or Red Bull in the present cars. I cannot but think that Vettel is much the same (other than he now sees he is mortal with a family). So perhaps Lewis may have a few more years.

[john stones 1 - Moderator]

Too many flapping their gums again, they stopped team managers pressuring stewards last year, same needs to be done during enquiries, button it and let the process deal with it.

 

As for Lewis and Russel, Lewis is still top man, drivers like him are a rare breed, effects of last year and doing the Lions share of problem solving, took it's toll methinks.

[GrumpyGnome]

7 hours ago, McG 6969 said:

 

Fantasy hasn't 'retro-adapted' their points yet.

But when/if they do, I can only re-confirm my apologies to Tony...

 

Como dije, estamos en México ahora.

 

Chris

 

 

They have partly done it - the mini-league shows the original, pre objection points. But your team breakdown will still be wrong.