Simon Webb Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) I am actually very happy with 115 points as I forgot my predictions!! Despite the gallant efforts of our very own John P reminding us! 👌 A jammy one that .......as I didn't lose position.......🤪 Edited October 24, 2022 by Simon Webb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 With regard the accounts, it seems that the source of the early leak, supposedly an ex employee of one of the teams. It has been suggested that the sum is about £1m, nor rumoured now to be £1.8m, related to procedural issues. I have no clue what a "procedural issue" is. Ther again is a rumpur if Red Bull accept guilt, then the consequences will be minimal. If they go to independent appeal and win, their will be disapointment within the FIA. Again what disappointment actually practically means. Then I do not understand why Toto said that for financial reasons he would not initially travel to the USA. In essence there appears to be a lot of fog regarding the whole issue. Will there ever be a open declaration , where all teams operations be declared? I do wonder if it can be fair, where a driver takes another out of a race and is able to continue, is a time penalty proportional, or would be disqualification more appropriate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iqon Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Results are being updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iqon Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 The gap just got wider..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 (edited) ... well, if Alonso loses his points, I'll going to have the same points lost as well together with the Fantasy bonus points for rank progression. On a side note, Alpine has introduced a complaint against Fernando's 30 seconds punishment. Wait and see, so far... C'est la vie... Chris EDIT > ... it seems now that I lost 20 points and 2nd positionis back to Tony... Bravo, Tony... Edited October 24, 2022 by McG 6969 result update Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Gained points via the stewards for a change, predictions rubbish, bonus points across the board. Ferrari getting the calls right for Charles, wonders never cease. What other sport can you take a competitor out and not get DQ'd ? 5 second penalty is ludicrous yet it never gets talked about, football, red card, track running/cycling red card etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Privett Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Alonso's 30-second post-race penalty has certainly caused a significant reshuffling of the points in our table. Many of us have gained a few points, others have lost quite a few. A small number of us are unaffected. Here's the revised points score from yesterday; Pos League Rank Team Manager Pts 1 4 0 Pitts Specials john stones 195 2 1 0 Igoronic racing iqon 178 3 3 0 GASTON Formula Chris McG 165 4 2 0 Essex Racing Tony Clark 139 5 9 1 PSS Power Flyer 132 6 10 1 Norfolk Flyers Kevin Fairgrieve 129 7 6 0 Revers Racing Pete B 127 8 5 0 DMFC Racing Team Simon Webb 123 9 14 1 The JP Specials johnpflyrc 120 10 11 0 Team Charles Picd Charles Pic 117 11 12 0 Torque of the devil Stu 111 12 13 0 teewrex John Tee 104 13 7 0 LetsGoTotoLetsGo GrumpyGnome 96 14 8 0 Oyster f1 Glenn Philbrick 86 15 15 1 Hans Brake Zoonie 82 John S still takes top place with an increased score of 195. Iqon's increased score of 178 now gets him second place and Chris' reduced score of 165 leaves him third. The overall table now looks like this; Pos League Rank Team Manager Pts 1 1 0 Igoronic racing iqon 2754 2 2 0 Essex Racing Tony Clark 2641 3 3 0 GASTON Formula Chris McG 2639 4 4 0 Pitts Specials john stones 2528 5 5 0 DMFC Racing Team Simon Webb 2380 6 6 0 Revers Racing Pete B 2317 7 7 0 LetsGoTotoLetsGo GrumpyGnome 2226 8 8 0 Oyster f1 Glenn Philbrick 2210 9 9 1 PSS Power Flyer 2181 10 10 1 Norfolk Flyers Kevin Fairgrieve 2180 11 11 0 Team Charles Picd Charles Pic 2163 12 12 0 Torque of the devil Stu 2115 13 13 0 teewrex John Tee 2000 14 14 1 The JP Specials johnpflyrc 1952 15 15 1 Hans Brake Zoonie 1949 Tony now holds on to second place ahead of Chris, but the gap is only two points! Ade now takes 9th from Kev - and this gap is only ONE point! And at the foot of the table, Zoonie has still managed to grab bottom place from me, and still with just a 3-point gap... Onwards to Mexico! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 Thanks once more for the update, John. Ahora vamos a Mexico... Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyGnome Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Think there's an appeal by Alpine to get the points back....... don't hold your breath! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Reading the reason Alonso got a 30 second penalty, looks like he has a good case. Perez drove with a damaged end plate, it fell off later, no flag/penalty, no flag for Alonso either. Hass objected after the time limit, inconsistent. 30 second penalty for no wing mirror, 5 for taking another car out ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 ... +1, John. Total inconsistency, indeed. But can you imagine, coming thursday, that a panel of FIA stewards will/could declare that the Austin FIA stewards made a mistake !!! ... I'm afraid Omar/Alpine are riding a dead horse here. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 Given the ongoing kerfuffle re Redbull, I would hope they abide by the rules as others should, if Alonsos at fault Perez is and many drivers/stewards from previous races, of course Hass being a US team has nowt to do with the decision or lack of. 😉 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 With respect of Red Bull, you can only speculate on the teams future, with the death of the owner. With respect to challenging the FIA with respect to the cap, again will we ever know the impact of the loss. Apparently some teams legal expenses are funded by so called third parties, rather than their teams budgets. Apparently large areas of expenditure are not subject to the cap. I read some time ago that teams that participated in other areas of motor sport, or even manufacture, can legally take advantage of developments from these other areas, or encourage developments that could be partially or fully incorporated, with in some cases provisos. Apparently Reb Bull and Torro Rosso were specifically barred from any such arrangements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zflyer Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 I have no problem propping up the rest of the table, after all they are my predictions. That said I am coming to the conclusion that Formula Fantasy FIA would be real test of one's predictions and a lot more entertaining as the rules bend, shift and change and the penalties also have a wide ranging elasticity. One could be top and bottom of the table the same day regardless of prediction. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 I may rejoin next year, that is if you will have me? As encouragement, I was pretty much in last place in previous years. Even though I had Hamilton as my driver, Mercedes as the car. The rest of the team was just the low point driver and car. Ah yes, predictions pretty dire. The up side is I may do better, if accepted. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyGnome Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 The more the merrier I reckon! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Fry Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 On 25/10/2022 at 13:17, Erfolg said: With respect of Red Bull, you can only speculate on the teams future, with the death of the owner. With respect to challenging the FIA with respect to the cap, again will we ever know the impact of the loss. Apparently some teams legal expenses are funded by so called third parties, rather than their teams budgets. Apparently large areas of expenditure are not subject to the cap. I read some time ago that teams that participated in other areas of motor sport, or even manufacture, can legally take advantage of developments from these other areas, or encourage developments that could be partially or fully incorporated, with in some cases provisos. Apparently Reb Bull and Torro Rosso were specifically barred from any such arrangements. Erf, such is devil take the loser economic models. I’m not too sure if I’m getting too much sympathy for the losers. Perhaps, if they had better designers, engineers, marketing people, or accountants, or indeed lawyers, they could have presented or afforded a better product, while presenting a set of accounts that passes scrutiny. I’m not claiming a set of truthful accounts, just alternative truth accounts, delivered by better sets of competitive skills. I’m just sorry that some skills, the team in the pit lane, the designers, the drivers, the race tacticians, are just a small part of the circus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Privett Posted October 26, 2022 Share Posted October 26, 2022 5 hours ago, Erfolg said: I may rejoin next year, that is if you will have me? Of course! The only 'qualifying requirement' is to be a member of the forum. Whether is's new faces, or old ones rejoining, I'm always happy to see more entrants in our league table. So come on back! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyGnome Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Alonso has his points back in a sensible, albeit late, stewards decision! Presumably FantasyF1 will update their data soon..... I should get more points but still be in 'mid table mediocrity' 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Clark Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 3 hours ago, GrumpyGnome said: Alonso has his points back in a sensible, albeit late, stewards decision! Presumably FantasyF1 will update their data soon..... I should get more points but still be in 'mid table mediocrity' 🙂 Agree with the decision although it means Essex Racing slipping back into 3rd position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McG 6969 Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 34 minutes ago, Tony Clark said: Agree with the decision although it means Essex Racing slipping back into 3rd position. Fantasy hasn't 'retro-adapted' their points yet. But when/if they do, I can only re-confirm my apologies to Tony... Como dije, estamos en México ahora. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Cost me points, rightly overturned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erfolg Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 The "Budget Cap" issue has now been resolved between the FIA and Red Bull. The link is here. Seems a 10% wind tunnel time has been the main penalty. I also read today if the over paid tax (not a clue to what this supposedly is was given) is refunded their would be no overspend. No point deductions apparently, Lewis, well being Lewis, said he is not bothered. Given Russels fine performance so far this year (with the one recent exception) will he promoted to joint leader. After all he is more of the future. Although I note that Alonso is 41, and probably would potentially again be a World Champion in a Mercedes or Red Bull in the present cars. I cannot but think that Vettel is much the same (other than he now sees he is mortal with a family). So perhaps Lewis may have a few more years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 Too many flapping their gums again, they stopped team managers pressuring stewards last year, same needs to be done during enquiries, button it and let the process deal with it. As for Lewis and Russel, Lewis is still top man, drivers like him are a rare breed, effects of last year and doing the Lions share of problem solving, took it's toll methinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyGnome Posted October 28, 2022 Share Posted October 28, 2022 7 hours ago, McG 6969 said: Fantasy hasn't 'retro-adapted' their points yet. But when/if they do, I can only re-confirm my apologies to Tony... Como dije, estamos en México ahora. Chris They have partly done it - the mini-league shows the original, pre objection points. But your team breakdown will still be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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