Rich Griff Posted November 1 Share Posted November 1 The bmfa and Andy and all bmfa staff do a wonderfull job on our behalf. There's nothing like a hard copy of the bmfa news, much better than a digital copy even on a proper computer with a large screen. Why is the bmfa ad in the bmfa news November issue, misleading, if it is misleading....? I just know I am gunna get pulled up and draged over the coals etc. for this but ....... It would be extremely sad if bmfa subs/reserves were used to pay a fine etc.. I suppose if we all keep shtwm, nothing will happen. Andy has just messaged me..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted November 1 Author Share Posted November 1 Cheers Andy, good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leccyflyer Posted November 2 Share Posted November 2 10 hours ago, Rich Griff said: The bmfa and Andy and all bmfa staff do a wonderfull job on our behalf. There's nothing like a hard copy of the bmfa news, much better than a digital copy even on a proper computer with a large screen. Why is the bmfa ad in the bmfa news November issue, misleading, if it is misleading....? I just know I am gunna get pulled up and draged over the coals etc. for this but ....... It would be extremely sad if bmfa subs/reserves were used to pay a fine etc.. I suppose if we all keep shtwm, nothing will happen. Andy has just messaged me..... What exactly do you consider to be misleading about the BMFA advert in the BMFA News? What fine are you talking about? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted November 4 Author Share Posted November 4 Still puzzeled leccybrian ? Have a great day....🤓 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leccyflyer Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 1 minute ago, Rich Griff said: Still puzzeled leccybrian ? Have a great day....🤓 Brian kindly explained what it was that you apparently considered misleading. You didn't do so. It is puzzling though, to consider how that would translate into you not being pleased that your subs or BMFA reserves would be used in paying a fine. What fine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holland 2 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 please make him stop...... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlyBird Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 1 hour ago, David Holland 2 said: please make him stop...... Looks like talking nonsense is not a contravention of the CoC.🤣 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 We don’t censor content inside the CoC. Let’s not allow this thread to become personal though. Some comments have been dangerously close to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 Threads soon drop off the page, if you allow it to, no mod needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban8 Posted November 4 Share Posted November 4 On 01/11/2024 at 21:51, Rich Griff said: The bmfa and Andy and all bmfa staff do a wonderfull job on our behalf. There's nothing like a hard copy of the bmfa news, much better than a digital copy even on a proper computer with a large screen. Why is the bmfa ad in the bmfa news November issue, misleading, if it is misleading....? I just know I am gunna get pulled up and draged over the coals etc. for this but ....... It would be extremely sad if bmfa subs/reserves were used to pay a fine etc.. I suppose if we all keep shtwm, nothing will happen. Andy has just messaged me..... The BMFA News is a very well produced and well written publication - very professional indeed. The problem was that printing and posting a hard copy to all members was very costly indeed and had simply not been sustainable for a number of years. Not wishing to be unkind, a lot of its content was and remains not exactly popular - with most of it being rather specialist and niche - often challenging reads if you can take them. Mention Reynolds Numbers in an article and that'll kill it dead for most. News and club stuff is fine but very in-depth reports of free flight comps from unheard of East European states and their flyers with unpronounceable names is even too much for me. Sorry Mike W. Other very detailed general comp reports with loads of stats can be a hard read as well. I dip in to what interests me because there are good articles for my taste, but otherwise just scan the pics or skip read what I don't find that interesting. Most do the same or worse still, continue to never read it at all - it still does happen as quite a few of my club mates admit to me. At least the £100K+ cost of posting it out and for many copies to go unread or merely skip read before being binned is over. Personally, I still think it's published too frequently, even on line - twice or perhaps three times a year is plenty - more and lighter general interest content would be nice. Important news and announcements from the BMFA are all available on line or emailed directly to clubs or individuals. I don't miss the hard copy - I always have access to the mag via my phone and can while away the time when waiting for something, travellng, or just having a few moments to spare when not at home. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted November 4 Author Share Posted November 4 Hi cuban8, Can you remember when the bmfa news changed to having to pay £10 for a hard copy of the years issues of the mag, about this time last year if I remember correctly And When it changed from 6 ( six ) to 4 ( four ) editions per year for £10 delivered; to your door; please ? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Heather Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 (edited) 12 hours ago, Rich Griff said: Hi cuban8, Can you remember when the bmfa news changed to having to pay £10 for a hard copy of the years issues of the mag, about this time last year if I remember correctly And When it changed from 6 ( six ) to 4 ( four ) editions per year for £10 delivered; to your door; please ? Thanks. The BMFA had options - the cost of producing the magazine had skyrocketed - they could have kept it as 'free' and hiked up the subscription to cover it, or they could have made a digital edition available for free and offered the physical magazine as a paid extra. They chose the latter, which, personally, I think was the right thing to do. Memberships are already reducing, a price hike wouldn't help that situation. And people are different, you clearly prefer a paper copy. Others might prefer a digital copy. Then there will be many like me, 5 minute skim through it when it was paper, don't bother looking at the digital version. Edited November 5 by Nigel Heather 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
payneib Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 As a "fan" of BMFA News (and contributor), I must admit I do like the new format - £10 a year/£2.50 an issue, seems a fair price to me for something I actively enjoy having a "skim" through, and if there's something I actually want to look up, there's the digital copies always there. I didn't renew RCM&E this time last year, because £50 a year/£4.50 an issue for something I'd only skim through, if I was lucky, just didn't seem as good a deal. I borrowed a copy from @GrumpyGnome a few months ago to have a look at the "Hienkalike" mini EDF plan/article - I still haven't read it. Really should get round to giving that back. 🤣 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted November 5 Author Share Posted November 5 Sorry, did you say £10 to get the mag sent to your door, at £2.50 an issue hard copy ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban8 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 (edited) 15 hours ago, Rich Griff said: Hi cuban8, Can you remember when the bmfa news changed to having to pay £10 for a hard copy of the years issues of the mag, about this time last year if I remember correctly And When it changed from 6 ( six ) to 4 ( four ) editions per year for £10 delivered; to your door; please ? Thanks. I'm of a vintage that I recall when the BMFA News was first published in large newspaper format prior to the current mag - probably back in the early 90's? I'm sure someone will have issue No 1 put away and will be able to tell us. Production costs and postage were very much less back in the day - direct mail (i.e. junk mail) has fallen away considerably of late due to high overall costs and doubts as to its effectiveness in this on-line age, as my doormat can testify. All my banking and insurance etc is now paperless. The Caravan and Camping Club Magazine that I receive has been on-line only for years now. The digital version with the optional charge for hard copy was introduced after or around the time of the 2023 BMFA AGM IIRC. The publication frequency was reduced at the same time, I think. - As I handle my club's membership renewals via the Just Go Portal, I can report that not one single member out of eighty or so, opted to pay the extra tenner on top of their subs and have a hard copy added to their renewal. Read into that fact what you wish. I like receiving the mag but do feel that the editor needs to review the content and style and move to a less specialised offering - It's difficult enough to get members to read it at all as it is, so too many very techy articles and rather repetitive Achiement Scheme articles do put people off, as I hear from members. Can only speak as I find. Edited November 5 by Cuban8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickw Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 12 minutes ago, Rich Griff said: Sorry, did you say £10 to get the mag sent to your door, at £2.50 an issue hard copy ? Yes he did, that is how it works and what I chose to do. I prefer having a paper copy to read at leisure rather than fiddling with a phone/laptop. It is the only model magazine I read. Dick 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban8 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 28 minutes ago, Dickw said: Yes he did, that is how it works and what I chose to do. I prefer having a paper copy to read at leisure rather than fiddling with a phone/laptop. It is the only model magazine I read. Dick I really don't see how at £2.50 per hard copy posted to your door can make economic sense, it's simply not viable - they must lose quite a bit on every copy sent out. considering the small print run. At least the hard copies will be well read and appreciated by a small but receptive audience, willing to pay for them. Enjoy it while you can. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Symons - BMFA Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 5 minutes ago, Cuban8 said: I really don't see how at £2.50 per hard copy posted to your door can make economic sense, it's simply not viable - they must lose quite a bit on every copy sent out. considering the small print run. At least the hard copies will be well read and appreciated by a small but receptive audience, willing to pay for them. Enjoy it while you can. The hard copy subscriptions price is set to cover the costs to do it subject to a minimum print run which has been exceeded. There is no loss per copy sent out. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 9 minutes ago, Cuban8 said: I really don't see how at £2.50 per hard copy posted to your door can make economic sense, it's simply not viable - they must lose quite a bit on every copy sent out It really can be quite 'doom mongering' posting things until you know the facts (see Andy's message above). 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Symons - BMFA Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Just now, Ron Gray said: It really can be quite 'doom mongering' posting things until you know the facts (see Andy's message above). There is a lot of it about. It's more damaging than anything the CAA could dream up too. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban8 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 3 minutes ago, Andy Symons - BMFA said: The hard copy subscriptions price is set to cover the costs to do it subject to a minimum print run which has been exceeded. There is no loss per copy sent out. That's good to hear - must be a tight margin though. Guess the situation will be monitored and reviewed. Hope the hard copy mag can continue for those that prefer it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john stones 1 - Moderator Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 BMFA should be exactly what "I" want otherwise it's just wrong ? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuban8 Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 Don't see my concern as doom mongering at all - with respect, seems a quite reasonable discussion and question to raise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted November 5 Author Share Posted November 5 Wonderfull, so 4 hard copies per year for ten pounds ( four copies for £10 hence £2.50 each ). Thank god no one felt cheated and contacted trading standard or the Asa about the mistake in the advert, 6 ( six ) copies per year etc........ Thankfully the mags *sell themselves* to those interested in a hard copy. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leccyflyer Posted November 5 Share Posted November 5 4 minutes ago, Rich Griff said: Wonderfull, so 4 hard copies per year for ten pounds ( four copies for £10 hence £2.50 each ). Thank god no one felt cheated and contacted trading standard or the Asa about the mistake in the advert, 6 ( six ) copies per year etc........ Thankfully the mags *sell themselves* to those interested in a hard copy. TBH the hobby really doesn't need anyone who might feel "cheated" at a mistake in an advert (in the printed hard copy only) which promised six copies rather than four copies, to the extent that they would consider contacting the Advertising Standards Authority or Trading Standards. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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