leccyflyer Posted August 14, 2023 Share Posted August 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Rich Griff said: Hi Martin, Am I correct in reading your last post ( Friday at 00:41 ) that the toprc 450mm wing span bf109 had successfully been operated and flown using a radiomaster tx, instructing the toprc's bf109 standard oe Rx to fly mode 1 ? Is this correct please ? The receiver doesn't know, or care, what mode the transmitter is using. As a matter of common courtesy, might I suggest that you answer the very simple question that Martin asked, some days ago, about which switch you were using on the transmitter, before expecting him to answer the question that you have just asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted August 28, 2023 Author Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) Had Comms with the shop that Perkins will be releasing Thier verdict on this model mode 1 issue etc. this week. Hope perkins will contact me as well. Had no further Comms from Perkins since the last emails saying to return the model to the shop. Really hope the new stock due to arrive mid September includes gearboxes and aeleron servos, and that the mode one issues at the factory have been resolved. Edited August 28, 2023 by Rich Griff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted August 28, 2023 Author Share Posted August 28, 2023 (edited) Had Comms with the shop that Perkins will be releasing Thier verdict on this model mode 1 issue etc. this week. Hope they will contact me as well. Had no further Comms from Perkins since the last emails at to return the model to the shop. Really hope the new stock due to arrive mid September includes gearboxes and aeleron servos, and that the mode one issues at the factory have been resolved. Edited August 28, 2023 by Rich Griff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leccyflyer Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 Have you had a full refund for returning the model within the 14 days of sale? Which Mode 2 issue are you referring to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted August 28, 2023 Author Share Posted August 28, 2023 Hi admin please delete the double post if you wish.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted September 6, 2023 Author Share Posted September 6, 2023 Ok, some time ago I was refunded for the extra batteries and lipo bag I purchased at the same time as the toprc bf109 mode 1 model. I returned the whole order back to the shop who returned the model to Perkins for investigation. This afternoon. The shop issued the refund which I have exchanged for a credit note. Other than the Perkins guidance and the email that said a cock up had happened in the factory, no further comments about the model have been offered. Perkins are expecting new stock mid september but do not know at this moment in time if the new model 1 stock has been "corrected". I have suggested that when the new stock arrives, mode 1 versions are tested for the "correction". We shall see. Hopefully the gear boxes and wing servos will be included in the new stock. I hope that Perkins do verify that mode 1 issues, elevator digital trim in ' the wrong place" and "servo glitches when skill level switch is used" have been corrected as I do not want to go thru the product return process again. Ende Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDB Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 42 minutes ago, Rich Griff said: Hi Paul, may I ask please, am I safe in the assumption that if my foamy plane appeared at your flying site and was seen to show servo mounting plate movement as seen in the videos, vidio test thread, it would not be deemed airworthy in that state ? Over to you sir... Do you think it’s airworthy? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leccyflyer Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 52 minutes ago, Rich Griff said: Hi Paul, may I ask please, am I safe in the assumption that if my foamy plane appeared at your flying site and was seen to show servo mounting plate movement as seen in the videos, vidio test thread, it would not be deemed airworthy in that state ? Over to you sir... Didn't you send that back to Perkins months ago, or is it a new one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 (edited) VID_20231128_135346.mp4 Hi leccy, yes, third time lucky, or so I thought ! All will be reviewed shortly, a real life tail. Hi Paul, just in case you cannot find the vidios, here is one for your viewing... Opinion please, airworthy or a fail ? Over to you sir. Edited November 29, 2023 by Rich Griff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 Hi Andy, as a flier and having seen the vidio, what would be your personal opinion as a lay person, of the servo movement, airworthy or a fail ? Thanks. VID_20231128_135346.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Rich - perhaps you could get to the point rather than continuing to canvas opinion on an example of what appears to be a very poorly constructed or assembled model. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyGnome Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 27 minutes ago, Rich Griff said: Hi Andy, as a flier and having seen the vidio, what would be your personal opinion as a lay person, of the servo movement, airworthy or a fail ? Thanks. VID_20231128_135346.mp4 Is your intention to keep asking until someone says "it's fine"? It isn't fine. Just fix it! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 Cool, message received and understood. Now I have to convince j Perkins ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyGnome Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Or just glue it..... easy and no hassle with suppliers.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Harris - Moderator Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Rich - assuming you didn't somehow buy it direct from Perkins, then any complaint should be addressed to the seller. Judging by your fingers, this model appears to be very much in the mould of a toy. Does it fly OK? It may be that Trading Standards would see it as fit for purpose. If it's the model I suspect, I've flown one and it was very adequate for its size but I wouldn't have the expectation of any real precision. It's up to you - hours/days of stress to achieve very little - or a couple of spots of hot glue or similar for a 5 minute fix. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 New out of the box, never flown, movement noticed when checking, not fit for purpose, waiting feedback from Perkins as mail order shop will need it. This one is number 3, third time lucky, no ... Should the purchaser "make good" a fault ? No. Interestingly models in this series have been "modified" to mark 2 versions. I wonder why ? More to come in up coming thread, "Toprc bf109 mode 1 saga continues ...". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Harris Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 2 hours ago, Rich Griff said: VID_20231128_135346.mp4 28.69 MB · 0 downloads Hi leccy, yes, third time lucky, or so I thought ! All will be reviewed shortly, a real life tail. Hi Paul, just in case you cannot find the vidios, here is one for your viewing... Opinion please, airworthy or a fail ? Over to you sir. What's the point of this barely visible video? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outrunner Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 9 hours ago, Rich Griff said: New out of the box, never flown, movement noticed when checking, not fit for purpose, waiting feedback from Perkins as mail order shop will need it. This one is number 3, third time lucky, no ... Should the purchaser "make good" a fault ? No. Interestingly models in this series have been "modified" to mark 2 versions. I wonder why ? More to come in up coming thread, "Toprc bf109 mode 1 saga continues ...". Rich, life is too short, just put a gob of hot melt glue on it and stop the servos rocking and get a new lens for your camera all your videos are blurred. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EarlyBird Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 10 hours ago, Rich Griff said: More to come in up coming thread, "Toprc bf109 mode 1 saga continues ...". I would fix it with a spot of glue and move on. Please just bring this saga to an end with a quick fix. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Harris Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 09/08/2023 at 20:35, Learner said: Cant say in an emergency I would ever go for a trim switch! I Would be concentrating on the landing as remember safe landing is no accident! For some reason I found this so funny! All the crashes I have had and witnessed there has been no time to retrim, it's usually one second you're flying and the next you're not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Robson Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 29/11/2023 at 22:39, Rich Griff said: New out of the box, never flown, movement noticed when checking, not fit for purpose, waiting feedback from Perkins as mail order shop will need it. This one is number 3, third time lucky, no ... Should the purchaser "make good" a fault ? No. Interestingly models in this series have been "modified" to mark 2 versions. I wonder why ? More to come in up coming thread, "Toprc bf109 mode 1 saga continues ...". Rich, I bought a Seagull Chipmunk cost about £300 at the time after a few flights one undercarriage leg pulled out, on on examination the mount was some laser cut ply all interlocking parts which had been assembled without glue, the assembly had then been put in the wing and a blob of glue held it in. I glued it up and refitted it, end of story. No hassle trying to get in touch with supplieers messing with posting and packing. Yes I know it should have been put right in the first place but most of these things are chucked together on a production line where turnover is more important than quality. A dab of Uhu por glue will fix it. Don't use normal Uhu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Griff Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 Thanks for that Eric, at least your model did not go out of control or cartwheel on landing and end up as a kit again eh. I refused to fly the 109, the third one sent to me, on "common sense" safety issue grounds. At least I could see the fault unlike your good self with a well hidden fault. No glue on u/carr, missing glue elsewhere ?? Did the instructions say any extra glue was needed in the structure at all ? Did you inform the manufacturer and or supplier about this defect at all ? I could mention stuff like Toyota floor mats etc ..... Anyways thank you for your very informative post, I bet owners of the same model subject are checking Thiers right now ! Just waiting for a returns label email I will start a thread titled "toprc bf109 mode 1... The saga continues....." when the model has been returned to/inspected by/ refund granted by Perkins and the great mail order shop I use. The mail order shop has been great and so have Perkins to be fair, once they have seen the evidence. Thank you rcme for showing the vidios which was proof By the way, if the box says "this is not a toy" , and you try claiming the box contents to be a toy, for what ever your reason, the contents will not be classed as a toy, unless of course you know different. Please advise..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leccyflyer Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Rich Griff said: Thanks for that Eric, at least your model did not go out of control or cartwheel on landing and end up as a kit again eh. I refused to fly the 109, the third one sent to me, on "common sense" safety issue grounds. At least I could see the fault unlike your good self with a well hidden fault. No glue on u/carr, missing glue elsewhere ?? Did the instructions say any extra glue was needed in the structure at all ? Did you inform the manufacturer and or supplier about this defect at all ? I could mention stuff like Toyota floor mats etc ..... Anyways thank you for your very informative post, I bet owners of the same model subject are checking Thiers right now ! Just waiting for a returns label email I will start a thread titled "toprc bf109 mode 1... The saga continues....." when the model has been returned to/inspected by/ refund granted by Perkins and the great mail order shop I use. The mail order shop has been great and so have Perkins to be fair, once they have seen the evidence. Thank you rcme for showing the vidios which was proof By the way, if the box says "this is not a toy" , and you try claiming the box contents to be a toy, for what ever your reason, the contents will not be classed as a toy, unless of course you know different. Please advise..... Please don't start another thread. It is completely unnecessary and would just make more work for the moderators to move any posts into this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Gray Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 minute ago, leccyflyer said: Please don't start another thread. Seconded! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Holland 2 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 And thirded! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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